Dealers' Pricing at the National

Exhibitman · #1 06-12-2023, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CardsMax

on items where they have the leverage to sell high, they're going to maximize their dollar

Absolutely true. It is all about who has the leverage. A seller of a T206 Wagner, yes; a 2023 Ohtani, not so much. Nothing new there, and a good reason why modern goes up and then crashes. Once the hype is over, the supply is ridiculously large relative to realistic demand, which is why the sellers start to hype nonsense like PSA 10 grades: of the 250,000 slabbed, only 7,500 are PSA 10. Wow, let me just rush right on out there to get 75 of them. There are still way more cards than anyone wants, and the 30,000 9s are indistinguishable from the 10s if you mixed them on a table with the labels covered.

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Originally Posted by jethrod3

Many older customers especially those just getting into or back into the hobby need their mom or the ghost of their mom to snap them back to reality.

I think that goes for most people; been on a plane lately? I have a friend who is a flight attendant and she hates her job with a passion since the pandemic. People turn into big, whiny, nasty babies the moment they board.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #2 06-12-2023, 03:13 PM

been flying a lot lately. Behavior and sense of entitlement on flights is absolutely insane. Rules apparently don't apply to almost anyone.

Rhotchkiss · #3 06-12-2023, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

been flying a lot lately. Behavior and sense of entitlement on flights is absolutely insane. Rules apparently don't apply to almost anyone.

The Nike store in downtown Bethesda, MD gets robbed twice every week (for the last 3 weeks). A group of people walk in, grab a bunch a stuff and walk out. Nobody does anything. My kids were there last week when it happened -- no violence, they never felt in danger, it was all very civilized, etc. Just seems there are no rules anywhere anymore

JustinD · #4 06-12-2023, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

The Nike store in downtown Bethesda, MD gets robbed twice every week (for the last 3 weeks). A group of people walk in, grab a bunch a stuff and walk out. Nobody does anything. My kids were there last week when it happened -- no violence, they never felt in danger, it was all very civilized, etc. Just seems there are no rules anywhere anymore

When the punishments are subjectively removed in many states, those without moral compass tend to have zero reason to avoid lawlessness. Soon many major cities will lose all ability to purchase important items like basic staples due to states prosecutorial negligent law changes leaving those without the ability to drive out of the city without options. You can't blame stores for leaving when they operate at a loss. The unknowing will state they have insurance but companies or small businesses cannot afford the rates for policies that have claims that are higher than their sales.

The repercussions of this will cause decades of distress for cities and their residents. It's just really sad when I still regularly see the damage the riots of 67' did here that still have never recovered. No one knows what is really coming from these events and you don't want it. One positive in Detroit is that we already know what happens and have quite honestly avoided most of the issues the past years as the city is somewhat self-protective due to our past. It took literally 50 years for real grocery stores to return to the city proper, those that remember their absence don't wish to lose them again.

That said, it still exists and we are trying to keep it from escalating. It's both comforting and sad the couple times a year I go to the nice mall a mile down the road and the luxury side seems to have more armed guards than Blackwater has on the payroll. What a world to raise a kid in...

Exhibitman · #5 06-12-2023, 07:35 PM

Unfortunately, we have substituted the language of blameless status for the language of personal responsibility in many walks of life. It is a short step from thinking that nothing about your life is your responsibility to thinking that everything is your right. Hence the whining about the evil, awful dealers price gouging. Guess what: none of us has a right to a 'reasonable' price for someone else's goods. Simple enough answer: don't buy stuff you think costs too much. Of the tables that have material I collect, I probably walk right by 50% of them because I can see that the prices are more than I want to spend.

parkplace33 · #6 06-13-2023, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Unfortunately, we have substituted the language of blameless status for the language of personal responsibility in many walks of life. It is a short step from thinking that nothing about your life is your responsibility to thinking that everything is your right. Hence the whining about the evil, awful dealers price gouging. Guess what: none of us has a right to a 'reasonable' price for someone else's goods. Simple enough answer: don't buy stuff you think costs too much. Of the tables that have material I collect, I probably walk right by 50% of them because I can see that the prices are more than I want to spend.

You hit the nail right on the head.

I am amazed at the collectors that have this mentality:

"My cards are worth so much. But I won't pay those prices" or

"These prices are reasonable, but my stuff is now worth less, so I can't pay that"

Folks, prices go up and down. If you want the card, buy it. If you don't, move on.

conor912 · #7 06-12-2023, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

been flying a lot lately. Behavior and sense of entitlement on flights is absolutely insane. Rules apparently don't apply to almost anyone.

When you have politicians do whatever they want, say whatever they want, blame everyone else for everything, and take zero responsibility, what do you really expect? Monkey see, monkey do.

Touch'EmAll · #8 06-12-2023, 05:45 PM

I am not a dealer. But this is America, and dealers have the right to do whatever they like with their cards and pricing. Although it is in their best interest to be responsive and polite. If you don't like the price, talk to them nicely, politely ask if they would sell for "X", and if not, then move on. There is so much product to spend your money on, don't get caught up on any one particular card. And obviously if you are looking for a rare card or in a hard to find great eye appeal condition, then expect to pay up. Don't be nasty, or bicker, or down talk them, be nice. We all like this hobby, no matter which perspective we are in - dealer or consumer. Without the dealers, we have no show. And for you dealers out there, without customers, we have no show.

jethrod3 · #9 06-12-2023, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Absolutely true. It is all about who has the leverage. A seller of a T206 Wagner, yes; a 2023 Ohtani, not so much. Nothing new there, and a good reason why modern goes up and then crashes. Once the hype is over, the supply is ridiculously large relative to realistic demand, which is why the sellers start to hype nonsense like PSA 10 grades: of the 250,000 slabbed, only 7,500 are PSA 10. Wow, let me just rush right on out there to get 75 of them. There are still way more cards than anyone wants, and the 30,000 9s are indistinguishable from the 10s if you mixed them on a table with the labels covered.

I think that goes for most people; been on a plane lately? I have a friend who is a flight attendant and she hates her job with a passion since the pandemic. People turn into big, whiny, nasty babies the moment they board.

Quite true, Adam. As someone else mentioned, the sense of entitlement is just bewildering these days.

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