Should these 3 players be in the HOF

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Any everybody else is aware of the incredibly obvious - that Rose broke rule #1 which was well-defined and known to him. Whether he should be excused and forgiven for it after so long is a reasonable debate, but your love of gambling is irrelevant.

Yes, we all know that the rule was well-defined and that he broke the (stupid) rule.

All of us have pulled up to an intersection that has a sign which reads, "No turn on red" when wanting to make a right turn at a red light. When there is traffic, most of us likely obey the sign. But if it's the middle of the night with no other cars in sight, only an idiot sits there and waits for the light to turn green so he can make his right turn.

Pete Rose was sitting at a red light in the middle of the night with no traffic, wanting to make a right turn.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, we all know that the rule was well-defined and that he broke the (stupid) rule.

All of us have pulled up to an intersection that has a sign which reads, "No turn on red" when wanting to make a right turn at a red light. When there is traffic, most of us likely obey the sign. But if it's the middle of the night with no other cars in sight, only an idiot sits there and waits for the light to turn green so he can make his right turn.

Pete Rose was sitting at the red light in the middle of the night with no traffic.

This was the #1 rule in baseball. He did not violate a clubhouse rule against not cleaning up after lunch. He didn't come to a rolling stop in the Reds parking lot. He didn't make a right on red in training camp. Pete Rose broke the #1 rule in all of baseball. The rule in every clubhouse, with prior lifetime bans given for it, and the stakes very well known. It was literally the biggest no no in baseball.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, we all know that the rule was well-defined and that he broke the (stupid) rule.

All of us have pulled up to an intersection that has a sign which reads, "No turn on red" when wanting to make a right turn at a red light. When there is traffic, most of us likely obey the sign. But if it's the middle of the night with no other cars in sight, only an idiot sits there and waits for the light to turn green so he can make his right turn.

Pete Rose was sitting at a red light in the middle of the night with no traffic, wanting to make a right turn.

Good analogy. However, if a policeman is hidden in the dark of night and sees you make the turn, he will give you a ticket. You can bet on it. Rose got caught breaking a clear MLB rule. Whether you like the rule or not is irrelevant. If it said you cannot bet against your team, he would not have broken it. However, it did not say that. It said you could not gamble and that he did. The banishment is warranted. He was one of the best to ever play the game. He gave his heart and soul to the game. But, he could not control his gambling addiction and deserves the punishment he received.

[The Detroit Collector]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Good analogy. However, if a policeman is hidden in the dark of night and sees you make the turn, he will give you a ticket. You can bet on it. Rose got caught breaking a clear MLB rule. Whether you like the rule or not is irrelevant. If it said you cannot bet against your team, he would not have broken it. However, it did not say that. It said you could not gamble and that he did. The banishment is warranted. He was one of the best to ever play the game. He gave his heart and soul to the game. But, he could not control his gambling addiction and deserves the punishment he received.

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

As an attorney, there are lots of rules and laws on the books that I don't agree with. But, I don't get to decide whether a given law/rule is stupid or not, nor do I get to decide when its okay to violate it. If I violate a law/rule that I think is stupid and get caught, the penalty is the same as if I had violated a "good" law. That's just the way it is.

This seems pretty simple to me. Rose knew what the rule was. He chose to violate it. He got caught and got the prescribed penalty for that violation. He viewed himself as above the rules and, as a result, he screwed himself. That's the way it works, regardless of what his apologists might wish. End of story.

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