Should these 4 19th Century players be in the HOF?

G1911 · #1 06-22-2023, 02:33 PM

McCormick and Mullane pitched a similar number of innings with almost the same ERA+. They have very similar value, I think. Interesting that they are seen so different thus far with McCormick clocking double the support.

McCormick and Mullane are a yes, Glasscock and Mathews are borderline. I�d probably vote for Glasscock too. Mathews was about league average, a Jim Kaat type of compiler. I wouldn�t be offended by his selection but probably would lean to �just misses�. None of the 4 have gotten a fair, serious look by the Hall.

Rad_Hazard · #2 06-22-2023, 02:51 PM

I kinda assumed this would be the case as McCormick has the best resume, while Mullane has the worst out of this group, but in my opinion they all have HOF credentials.

McCormick was absolutely next level and the only reason he isn't in the Hall is because he didn't get to that coveted 300 win number.

Mullane got close to 300 as well and had great career numbers, but not nearly as strong as McCormick.

Mathews has a TON of history on his side as well as falling only 3 wins short of 300 wins, which if he would have got them, he would already be in the Hall. I'm not trying to focus on that number too much, it's just that early voters would have and it seems to be the only benchmark as to who got in and who didn't as far as 19th century pitching.

Glasscock, to me, is a HOF lock. Best all around player of his era. Great bat, absolutely insane glove and career stats to boot. He was by far and away the best SS in 19th century baseball, better than Dahlen.

oldjudge · #3 06-23-2023, 09:17 AM

Glasscock, to me, is a HOF lock. Best all around player of his era. Great bat, absolutely insane glove and career stats to boot. He was by far and away the best SS in 19th century baseball, better than Dahlen.

George Wright might disagree and George would be right.

Svabinsky78 · #4 06-23-2023, 09:51 AM

Speaking of Dahlen, I really had no idea how good of a player he was until I took more of a deep dive into baseball history...

When Dahlen retired he held the all-time record for games played and ranked among the top ten in nearly every offensive category in major league history....not to mention that he was one of the best defensive short stops of his era...

I think with some of these old timers, they just fell into complete obscurity with the passage of time, tucked away on some shelf in the backroom of some abandoned warehouse....the GREATS like Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Johnson, Young, Mathewson hung around/withstood the test of time, but many others fell into obscurity....

I read somewhere that he did not fare well on the ballot early on, in large part, because of his cantankerous personality....and as more time passed, he just fell into obscurity as the game changed, new superstars came on to the scene, offensive #s increased across the board, etc.

darwinbulldog · #5 06-23-2023, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

McCormick and Mullane pitched a similar number of innings with almost the same ERA+. They have very similar value, I think. Interesting that they are seen so different thus far with McCormick clocking double the support.

2 x 49 = 59?

G1911 · #6 06-23-2023, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

2 x 49 = 59?

At the time I said it, as I do not have the magical ability to tell the future, it was 14 McCormick and 7 to Mullane. That is double the support.

bigfanNY · #7 06-23-2023, 11:09 AM

Yes to all 4. Clearly many of the stars who played during Baseballs first 25 years who absolutely belong in the Hall of fame. Yes the numbers dont match up to the modern game but the rules evolved as did the equipment and the fields. About time we recognized the men who built our national game. And for the most part were left were left in the dust if they were injured.

Rad_Hazard · #8 06-24-2023, 12:04 PM

I'd love to hear the opinions from the NO's, especially for McCormick and to a lesser extent Glasscock.

View Poll Results: Would you add these 4 19th Century player
YES to Jack Glasscock	53	63.10%
YES to Bobby Mathews	42	50.00%
YES to Jim McCormick	48	57.14%
YES to Tony Mullane	52	61.90%
NO to Jack Glasscock	21	25.00%
NO to Bobby Mathews	28	33.33%
NO to Jim McCormick	23	27.38%
NO to Tony Mullane	20	23.81%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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