The future of Shohei Ohtani

[JustinD]

I think some of the posts on stats are ignoring the historic actions of the hall. Negro League stats were not official prior, this did not hold back elections of those players. The same can be said for the small amount of Cuban players.

Up to now, Japanese and other international stats have been ignored. This is not the tradition of the Basketball HOF or Hockey HOF and I see some changes possible in the future to be more inclusive as a logical progression with these current moves of stat adjustments. I expect more Cuban elections and perhaps a well deserved recognition of Sadaharu Oh.

Ohtani could be that player to move the needle and open that door. I don't see the impact he had on Japanese ball being ignored in it's entirety.

Again, this is crazy early talk...anything can happen. I think he's well on his way and already the better player on a team that has Mike Trout on the roster. Although, I think we need to see where he sits in five years.

[mrreality68]

Angels will not trade with the Dodgers is the rumor and

WOW he hit homer #35 and is ahead of Judges pace

[clydepepper]

Slightly off subject, but I wanted to mention a statistical oddity (which I have not personally double-checked) posted on facebook yesterday:


The the first 674 games of their careers:

Ruth had 159 homers
Ohtani had 160 homers


Through 455.0 Innings Pitched:

Ruth was 35-18
Ohtani was 35-19


If true, it is just a real cool oddity, not an intended comparison of the two players.


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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Slightly off subject, but I wanted to mention a statistical oddity (which I have not personally double-checked) posted on facebook yesterday:


The the first 674 games of their careers:

Ruth had 159 homers
Ohtani had 160 homers


Through 455.0 Innings Pitched:

Ruth was 35-18
Ohtani was 35-19


If true, it is just a real cool oddity, not an intended comparison of the two players.


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Great Stats and amazing how close

[clydepepper]

Well, after checking, the pitching stats are correct, but not the games played.


still, fairly cool.


I have nine different books on Ruth in my library...won't live to see that many in any form on Ohtani- just glad to be around to witness him.


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[mrreality68]

IT feels like Ohtani is either auditioning for teams or playing video games.

He is playing the game like it was a video game and just dominating in everything he does.

He is putting on a clinic against the Yankees as if he is auditioning for them or someone else.

He is hitting for power for average for extra base hits and pitching pretty good also.

Special player and will love to see how is career totals and his story ends up

[Seven]

At this point, I think it's obvious that he should just be a position player full time. I understand he's a talented pitcher, but the risk of getting hurt as a pitcher is much higher, and he's already had one TJ surgery.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think some of the posts on stats are ignoring the historic actions of the hall. Negro League stats were not official prior, this did not hold back elections of those players. The same can be said for the small amount of Cuban players.

Up to now, Japanese and other international stats have been ignored. This is not the tradition of the Basketball HOF or Hockey HOF and I see some changes possible in the future to be more inclusive as a logical progression with these current moves of stat adjustments. I expect more Cuban elections and perhaps a well deserved recognition of Sadaharu Oh.

Ohtani could be that player to move the needle and open that door. I don't see the impact he had on Japanese ball being ignored in it's entirety.

Again, this is crazy early talk...anything can happen. I think he's well on his way and already the better player on a team that has Mike Trout on the roster. Although, I think we need to see where he sits in five years.

I agree that NPB stats deserve more recognition, but with Ohtani I don’t think they would make much difference since he has actually been more dominant in MLB than he was in Japan. In five years in Japan he only hit a total of 48 home runs, fewer than he is likely to hit this year alone. His pitching was better, but he only amassed 42 wins, so it doesn’t move the needle much.

NPB stats would be way more relevant for guys like Hideki Matsui whose career numbers in both MLB and NPB are “good” but not “great” when viewed in isolation, but become very impressive when combined.

Ichiro is just weird since he basically had two HOF careers in each country, something that is unlikely to ever happen again.

[jethrod3]

Ohtani wasn't at his best tonight but surprisingly he got some run support and the bullpen did their part. Nice to see!

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Ohtani wasn't at his best tonight but surprisingly he got some run support and the bullpen did their part. Nice to see!

Gave up four home runs and did not get a hit but

Struck out 9 went 7 innings and got the win

Walked 3 times and scored twice.

Amazing what he can do when he has a “BAD” night