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Old 07-29-2023, 04:52 PM
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At this point I don't think we'll see any comparable action against all the outed card doctors and enablers.
Clearly proving card altering in court has a different set of standards than on the internet. It cannot help that there are so many altered cards in holders and few care that there are.
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Clearly proving card altering in court has a different set of standards than on the internet. It cannot help that there are so many altered cards in holders and few care that there are.
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Quite honestly I don't think it makes them want to go after someone if the buyers and sellers don't care. Whose the victim? You could say people down the line. But they don't care either.
The flip can't be wrong. Buy the holder!
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As futile as going after John Barleycorn.
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As futile as going after John Barleycorn.
That is folklore, this is fraud, but I get your point.
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That is folklore, this is fraud, but I get your point.
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They won, man. Just like in the song. Little Sir Dave (or whoever, so many interchangeable names here) with his file and blade proved the strongest man at last.

Guys like you and me, who grew up in the hobby in a time with the mindset that altering cards was unacceptable, we're relics.
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Quite honestly I don't think it makes them want to go after someone if the buyers and sellers don't care. Whose the victim? You could say people down the line. But they don't care either.
The flip can't be wrong. Buy the holder!
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Exactly, Leon. The people who do care are in the minority and that number gets smaller each day. Regardless of the reason, during the entire investigation of PWCC, prices increased and business increased with third party graders. Might be ethically wrong to mess with a sports card but apparently the message from the hobby, in general, is that it is not an issue.
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