Joey Votto once again for the win

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Greinke should have quit after last season. I think he's probably in but is he really any more deserving than, say, Tiant?

I think Tiant deserves to be in.

But I think Greinke is actually underrated and should easily get in. While other pitchers have been more consistent, few have had the peak dominance of Greinke, who had two of the best seasons in modern pitching history--his ERA+ of 205 during his Cy Young season in '09 and his ERA+ of 222 in 2015 when he finished second in the voting. Kershaw, deGrom and Sale, are the only other active pitchers that with multiple seasons with an ERA+ above 200 (not Verlander, Scherzer, Bieber, Kluber).

He has the 25th highest JAWS of any starting pitcher ever. The only pitchers ahead of him that aren't in the Hall of Fame are Clemens, Schilling. (Tiant is 44th on the list)

Doesn't hurt that he won 6 gold gloves and 2 silver sluggers.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I think Tiant deserves to be in.

But I think Greinke is actually underrated and should easily get in. While other pitchers have been more consistent, few have had the peak dominance of Greinke, who had two of the best seasons in modern pitching history--his ERA+ of 205 during his Cy Young season in '09 and his ERA+ of 222 in 2015 when he finished second in the voting. Kershaw, deGrom and Sale, are the only other active pitchers that with multiple seasons with an ERA+ above 200 (not Verlander, Scherzer, Bieber, Kluber).

He has the 25th highest JAWS of any starting pitcher ever. The only pitchers ahead of him that aren't in the Hall of Fame are Clemens, Schilling. (Tiant is 44th on the list)

Doesn't hurt that he won 6 gold gloves and 2 silver sluggers.

Thanks for sharing those insights on Greinke. I did not realize some of that.