Will 2023 Oakland A's set modern team record for season losses?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by todeen

I know relocations are messy and have many factors. But I also disagree with every state and municipality funding essentially private arenas. The deal for the new A's stadium includes tax free advantages for the A's. So what do the tax payers get for giving away $300 mil in tax money? Zilch. It's a free money giveaway to billionaire families. After the tax holiday ends, and the stadium needs upgrades, who has to pay? Tax payers. Further, when the A's owner was asked by politicians how many of his of the jobs he was creating would be full-time he had to admit most jobs would be seasonal.

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No doubt, Its interesting to watch arrogant millionaires and arrogant city officials interact.
The current deal that the City came up with to pay for the infrastructure which, lets face it, is a City's job and the owner pays for the Stadium is a fair deal. If the City was proactive and offered that deal to any owners prior to Fisher getting control, the A's would still be in Oakland. Fisher is the worst kind of owner and quite frankly the city deserves him.
We can argue all day long about what the taxpayer pays for, personally I think having multiple sports teams, a vibrant community free from crime, and embracing a strong middle/working class is the way to go.
Oakland has chosen to do none of those things, they have no vision on how to build a more successful community, it's unfortunate.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

No doubt, Its interesting to watch arrogant millionaires and arrogant city officials interact.

The current deal that the City came up with to pay for the infrastructure which, lets face it, is a City's job and the owner pays for the Stadium is a fair deal. If the City was proactive and offered that deal to any owners prior to Fisher getting control, the A's would still be in Oakland. Fisher is the worst kind of owner and quite frankly the city deserves him.

We can argue all day long about what the taxpayer pays for, personally I think having multiple sports teams, a vibrant community free from crime, and embracing a strong middle/working class is the way to go.

Oakland has chosen to do none of those things, they have no vision on how to build a more successful community, it's unfortunate.

Sadly, very few cities have leaders that can execute an effective city vision.

We're having similar problems in Spokane WA. Our county commissioners and Spokane Mayor, plus city council, have failed to navigate our homeless problem that exploded in the years after COVID. They cannot come up with a bipartisan plan. Our neighborhoods all want homeless shelters to provide a safe space, but "not in my backyard." Civic leaders don't have the backbone to ramrod a plan down the voters throats. Last winter we had a homeless camp with many hundreds of occupants because they didn't want the rules they were being forced to accept if they moved into a city funded shelter / private shelters. Here we are at the end of summer and no resolution has been created leading the distinct possibility the camp will come back. The only idea was for someone to try to pass a city ordinance that homeless camps can't be within 500 feet of a school or park, or something like that. That comes after the mayor disallowed sleeping under bridges. Which means....they will now occupy doorsteps of businesses?

Spokane has become a major city but still wants to believe they are small town USA. "We are not Seattle" has been the unofficial slogan since I moved here in 1996. Edit: the Spokane metro area is now 775,000 people.

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[mrreality68]

As long as the Politicians are willing to fund stadiums with tax payers dollars are fees (like Hotel/Tourist fees) then the Pro Sports owners will take their money. All Sports sadly does it to funds stadiums and often uses other cities who are willing to do it to try and get a team for their cities as leverage to force the home team to fund it.

Most politicians and multiple parties in the city and no one usually agreeing can usually not work well anyway to cover other issues like taxes, homeless, crime etc.

And the Athletics owner is not the only owner is Pro Sports that suck. Regardless if they spend money or not. Some the the Dolans in NY(Ranges and Knicks) spend money but are lousy and bad with their former players, interferes to much(not so in last few years)