Anyone Else Feeling Marooned on Vintage Collector Island??

Rhotchkiss · #1 08-14-2023, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

I do collect for the fun it brings. I'm simply saying "the good old boy" club, the same people over and over, practically fall all over themselves to pat on the back the latest "pick up", with, as Jolly says, a virtual Macy's parade. For "picking up" the latest 5 or 6 figure card. While those who collect for the fun of it get 100% ignored over and over. If that is what card collecting is, then I very truly might want to consider a change.

Your complaining is beyond old. How about some accountability yourself. You never compliment any “good ol boy” cards. You just complain. Nothing is stopping you from starting a monthly thread to post pickups under a certain price, or of certain type of cards. You have as much control over what is posted as anyone else, yet instead of doing anything you just complain.

I am sorry you can’t afford what you want, sincerely. And I understand how it can be frustrating to see posts and discussions about things you can’t get. But I don’t understand why you begrudge and demean people who can have what you can’t. I took huge risks and worked my fucking ass off (and had some luck) to be in a position where I can buy six figure cards; part of those risks includes buying cards that are now six figures when the then-five figure price seemed nuts.

Anyway, if it’s so painful for you to see people get what you can’t, then this likely is not the place for you. Or maybe it is, but you just need to create your own niche and start threads that appeal to people with your collecting means and interest.

I wish you well and good luck. I do. And I don’t care if you don’t feel the same about the Good’ol boys. But it seems to me that this site and hobby causes you more pain than pleasure, considering a change is probably a good call.

Ryan Hotchkiss

jingram058 · #2 08-14-2023, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Your complaining is beyond old. How about some accountability yourself. You never compliment any �good ol boy� cards. You just complain. Nothing is stopping you from starting a monthly thread to post pickups under a certain price, or of certain type of cards. You have as much control over what is posted as anyone else, yet instead of doing anything you just complain.

I am sorry you can�t afford what you want, sincerely. And I understand how it can be frustrating to see posts and discussions about things you can�t get. But I don�t understand why you begrudge and demean people who can have what you can�t. I took huge risks and worked my fucking ass off (and had some luck) to be in a position where I can buy six figure cards; part of those risks includes buying cards that are now six figures when the then-five figure price seemed nuts.

Anyway, if it�s so painful for you to see people get what you can�t, then this likely is not the place for you. Or maybe it is, but you just need to create your own niche and start threads that appeal to people with your collecting means and interest.

I wish you well and good luck. I do. And I don�t care if you don�t feel the same about the Good�ol boys. But it seems to me that this site and hobby causes you more pain than pleasure, considering a change is probably a good call.

As the rules state, post your name. Otherwise, your comments mean nothing, no one cares.

If you don't like what I say, the truth hurts, as they say. Go buy another Ruth or Cobb.

Rhotchkiss · #3 08-14-2023, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

As the rules state, post your name. Otherwise, your comments mean nothing, no one cares.

If you don't like what I say, the truth hurts, as they say. Go buy another Ruth or Cobb.

I edited my post to add my name (even though it�s pretty much there already). What is the truth, that I can buy Ruth and Cobb and I don�t give you kudos on a pickup that I don�t care about? Man that Hurts a lot; what an insult - �Go buy another Ruth or Cobb��

I am done here. Good luck to you.

jingram058 · #4 08-14-2023, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I edited my post to add my name (even though it�s pretty much there already). What is the truth, that I can buy Ruth and Cobb and I don�t give you kudos on a pickup that I don�t care about? Man that Hurts a lot; what an insult - �Go buy another Ruth or Cobb��

I am done here. Good luck to you.

You didn't do a very good job updating your profile. And still, no one cares. As they say, b-bye.

JollyElm · #5 08-14-2023, 08:34 PM

On the left is how this thread began. On the right is what it has devolved into...

beforeaftertornadodamage.jpg

In other words, it's just like every other thread ever.

jchcollins · #6 08-14-2023, 09:26 PM

One of the things I realized fairly quickly upon getting back into the hobby after a dozen years or so in 2015, is that the whole "Keeping up with the Joneses" game with vintage cards wasn't something I was going to be participating in. As I recalled from earlier stints in the hobby as an adult, back to the time I was hardcore into it as a kid - the general rule seemed to be that there will always be someone whose collection will blow yours away - but if you are paying attention - you will notice that you are often far more fortunate / accomplished than many others in what you are trying to do yourself.

I don't, as a rule more or less since this last run of adulthood collecting, do much with prewar vintage cards. I just don't. I think they are incredible, but the value proposition isn't there for me and my budget right now. I can get one lower grade second-tier T206 HOF'er for the same price as I could buy an EX or higher 1950's or 60's Aaron or Clemente card in most cases - and for that, I'll take the latter every time. Postwar vintage was my first love as a kid in the late 80's / early 90's - and those players, mostly those of my parents generation - remain the most relatable to me. So that's where I play. Technically, could I take my budget and current assets and turn a very nice, midsize postwar collection into a much smaller but more elite collection of 5-figure and higher cards that are older? Sure! But to me it's a hobby first and foremost, and I don't really see myself making that move without turning it into something more than just a hobby - so I'm happy to continue to live in my playground, at least for the time being.

As some here have pointed out, the postwar board here perhaps isn't super popular compared to the main board - but whatever. I'm happy to show off my pickups there, and hang out with Jolly and a few others. Heck, back when I first got interested in old cards there was no camaraderie the likes of social media and what we have today - so who knows, maybe I'm just used to kind of following the beat of my own drummer. Things may change one day, they may not - either way is ok with me.

James, I hope you can find some peace with it. I think every collector here - even those who do eventually finance what some of us would consider insane $ cards - have had that feeling of not measuring up and not being able to do what we might want to if money were no object. I don't know though, I find when I ignore that noise and just focus on what I like - there are still plenty of things I can buy within my budget that make me happy. I could conceivably continue to buy postwar stuff I don't have for the next few decades, and still not cross everything off my list. But that is just me.

John1941 · #7 08-14-2023, 07:59 PM

I think none of us should complain about our budgets. There are all sorts of kinds of budgets- there will also be someone with budgets greater or less than ours.

I'm a high-schooler without a job, and I can tell y'all it's pretty hard to go through the pickups threads and drool over the amazing cards. I'm only able to get good cards if I get a great deal. I have very expensive card tastes without much capacity to fill them.

But on the other hand, I have a good friend who loves collecting cards. He's part of a family significantly worse off than mine, and has probably about 2% of the number of vintage cards I have. If I'm so much better off than him card-wise what right do I have to grouse? The same goes for y'all.

anchorednw · #8 08-14-2023, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941

I think none of us should complain about our budgets. There are all sorts of kinds of budgets- there will also be someone with budgets greater or less than ours.

I'm a high-schooler without a job, and I can tell y'all it's pretty hard to go through the pickups threads and drool over the amazing cards. I'm only able to get good cards if I get a great deal. I have very expensive card tastes without much capacity to fill them.

But on the other hand, I have a good friend who loves collecting cards. He's part of a family significantly worse off than mine, and has probably about 2% of the number of vintage cards I have. If I'm so much better off than him card-wise what right do I have to grouse? The same goes for y'all.

This. +1

MikeGarcia · #9 08-15-2023, 06:40 AM

thatkidfromjerrymaguire · #10 08-15-2023, 09:13 AM

My thoughts on the initial topic of this thread:

I definitely have had to change my collecting focus a few times over the last few years. Luckily I got back in to vintage a couple years before the "covid boom" and was able to pick up some cards my 10 year old self would never have imagined I would have (my first Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Jackie, etc.). It would take me a lot longer to save up for those cards now.

I completed a set in my favorite grade (a 1952 Bowman in an average EX range).

But as prices rose I started shifting. I started looking for more non mainstream sets from the 1930's. But as prices started rising on those, I shifted down on my condition requirements (now I'm fine with "collector grade"...i.e. cards that probably took a few turns through some bicycle spokes).

And recently I've been poking around sets from the 70's. Picking up lots of cards from 1975 Topps has been a lot of fun. It's from the year I was born and contains the rookie card of my favorite player (George Brett). And I should EASILY be able to complete a decent set for about $500. I could probably save money and just buy a complete set, but that's not NEAR as fun as buying lots, sorting, and maybe posting my duplicates for trade on the BST in the coming months.

I still have a small fund that I add to every month for another bigger card (I still want to own a Cobb, and Gehrig, and Aaron some day. And I will.) But I can also have fun putting together cheap sets too.

There always was and always will be cards I would like to own but understand I never will. But I'm blessed to be able to have enough income to be able to spend some of it on old cardboard with pictures of baseball players.

Life is good and collecting cards is fun. Reading and posting about cards on this forum is fun too.

Onward.

John

Exhibitman · #11 08-15-2023, 09:46 AM

Sometimes the best response is music, in this case, the great James Brown from Drive That Funky Soul:

You don't miss nothin' you never had
But you miss so much you wish you could get

It is a weird zeitgeist when card prices boom. On the one hand, we (purportedly) celebrate unfettered capitalism and individual wealth building, and we love to see the value of our stuff go up, but there is also a ton of vitriol unleashed on rich collectors who use their money to buy the most expensive toys, like the T206 Wagners that we mere working stiffs cannot afford. I get that feeling; I really do. I wanted to extend a double-barreled middle finger to the hobby in the early 2000s when it became apparent that I could never hope to finish certain prewar baseball sets I was into, especially the T206 HOFer portrait run. Before that, I could theoretically add a Plank or even a Wagner to my collection, but the meteoric price increases on those and so many other vintage cards pre-2008 just buried me and the pandemic price run dances on my grave.

Seems to me you have two choices when you feel like that: get out or find something else to pivot to in the hobby and enjoy what you can. I started collecting oddball cards and ephemera and Exhibit cards. As prices on those rose in turn (who�d ever have thought a Jackie Robinson anti-prejudice blotter would be a four-figure item?), I pivoted to other stuff, like inserts, premiums, Wheaties and matchbook covers, cards from other sports and even some non-sports cards and ephemera.

Ryan is one of the nicest guys you'll meet in this hobby and truly passionate about collecting. He is fortunate to be able to amass great stuff, and is great about it. No reason to hate on him, James.

Look, I get it, I get envy and jealousy. When someone else scores a great card, you wouldn�t be human if there wasn�t some envy or jealousy rearing its ugly head. I get cranky. For a minute. Then I congratulate my friend on his good fortune and move on. We�re (nearly) all human, after all, so I am good with a little green envy goblin skittering across the mind�s eye for a moment. More than that is unhealthy and unproductive. I don�t hate on people who have the resources to amass a great collection, unless they are dicks about it, in which case it is hate-on, but because they are dicks, not because they have the resources to collect large.

Republicaninmass · #12 08-15-2023, 09:48 AM

It should be "fun". Whether that's find an error in a $1 bin (doyle please) finishing a set, or buying a wagner. You shouldn't have any remorse as to paying too much or not selling at the top. If you do, or think you might, just reevaluate your situation. It's only stuff!

Are you putting you family in peril by spending, alternatively spending too much time away from them trolling eBay for deals? After all, it's only stuff, and we just rent it, until the time comes it passes to someone else.

I can't fathom the increase in prices in some cards. They've been around 100 years, and now people think they are great investments. Aside from t3s (Hi Connor and Mark) which I always felt were completely undervalued, some of the other oversized "rookie" cards were never as popular as candy and gum cards. This is going back since the hobby started. T206s and 33 goudeys were filled in every auction house over the last 30 years (yes I started vintage at 16) and more people.held onto Ruth and Cobb cards/ephemera than commons. This evident from the photos, cards and mid-week pictorials than even as fragile as they are, still survived paper drives and in great condition.

The opinion seems to have changed. But I really think the "greater fool theory" is bound to happen eventually. It's fine if you don't have to sell and don't care about the value of your cards, but for some it will be a rude awakening. This happened in the late 80s and 90s when I started in the hobby. I was one of the only "kids" collecting vintage. The bottom fell out from speculators and over production and now the "kids" are selling there 1990s stuff at yards sales for pennies and never came back to the hobby. I see a lot of similarities and while history may not repeat itself, it certainly does rhyme.

Svabinsky78 · #13 08-15-2023, 10:00 AM

There are still great cards to be picked up.....some oddball issues, lower tier HOFers.....items that don't get as much hobby love....but great items nonetheless.....

I recently picked up the entire 1957 team issued set of photos of the Cincinnati Redlegs.....with the original envelope, which happens to have Frank Robinson in it.... technically a rookie year issue...and I got it for around $200...in great shape too.

I picked up a nice 1923 strip card of Eppa Rixey in a PSA 6 for $120...

A Tom Barker Game Grover Alexander rookie in a 6 for $300....

A 1906 Fan Craze Bobby Wallace in an SGC 8 for a few hundred....

So there are cool cards to be had....but if you are looking for the BIG boys, yeah, unless you have a large trust fund or are killing it on Wall Street, those cards are out of reach....the days when you could pick up T206s of stars for $40 are long gone.

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