I Believe This Could Be A Complete Horizontal Layout For This T206 Sheet

edhans · #1 08-25-2023, 09:38 AM

Truly remarkable work, Pat. Curious about the Liebhardt a few posts up. The massive top border would seem to suggest that it was at the top of the sheet. Why is there no evidence of the bottom caption from the card above it?

Pat R · #2 08-25-2023, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by edhans

Truly remarkable work, Pat. Curious about the Liebhardt a few posts up. The massive top border would seem to suggest that it was at the top of the sheet. Why is there no evidence of the bottom caption from the card above it?

Thank you Ed and good observation. I was actually going to post about that when I got into the three other scratches on this sheet besides the primary scratch.

I think that I'm probably confusing some people with the template I've been posting of this plate scratch sheet. There are a few other separate plate scratch sheets besides this one. When I started working on these I made templates by printing out the Piedmont backs on 8 1/2 x 11 paper and taping 4 of them together so they were 34 inches wide and some of them were over 40 inches high. After I already started this sheet I discovered some of the secondary scratches on this sheet I just drew them in above the primary scratch which was already on the bottom of the template (because of the direction of the scratch) rather than going through the trouble of making a new template. So the other scratches would have actually been somewhere on this sheet below the primary scratch instead of above it as it is on this template.

Besides the Liebhardt I have other scratches that show that the primary scratch from Shaw to O'Leary was at the top of the sheet and everything from the left of Shaw was in the second row down on the sheet.

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Shaw and O'leary scratches with big top borders without part of the caption at the top

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These are all to the left of Shaw and the names at the top would have been from the top row on the sheet

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edhans · #3 08-25-2023, 12:10 PM

Thank you for the explanation, Pat.

Pat R · #4 08-26-2023, 08:14 AM

Johnson and Stovall

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Pat R · #5 08-26-2023, 08:14 AM

O'leary

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Pat R · #6 08-30-2023, 10:25 AM

I just recently found a new scratch from one of the secondary scratches that closes up a gap in the confirmed scratches for 5 subjects on this particular scratch (same 5 subjects in order as the primary scratch)

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You can see why the secondary scratches are far more difficult to find than the primary scratches.

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steve B · #7 08-30-2023, 12:34 PM

I still think that secondary scratch goes to the right of the upper primary scratch with either a gap in between or a card that hasn't been found yet.

Pat R · #8 08-30-2023, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I still think that secondary scratch goes to the right of the upper primary scratch with either a gap in between or a card that hasn't been found yet.

I think we discussed this a couple of times Steve and I still respectfully disagree. If what you are saying is true while these T206 sheets were bigger than most people think
this sheet would have had to have been massive somewhere around 30- 40 cards wide with a section of the sheet layout triple printed on the right hand side.

There are three different horizontal scratches (plus at least one vertical scratch on a few subjects).

Here are the three different Conroy-Williams horizontal scratch pairings

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atx840 · #9 08-31-2023, 01:48 PM

Amazing project Pat, your dedication to this is inspiring and it is really coming together.

I have tried to map out these sheets for years and could never put together enough information, as well some of the info leads me to think that maybe the sheet configurations changed over a print run/different back.

Any information from the OAK underprints that can be gathered? The seven that I am aware of are all from your scratch list. Davis, Ewing, Griffith, Lake, Manning, O'Leary & Powers.

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