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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

But as a DH only are people going to pony up more than DH value for him on the hope that after year one of the contract they get more out of him? Don't get me wrong he's a great hitter, but as just a DH he's not worth a mega contract, and being unsure if he'll ever be more than that again has to dampen the market

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

But as a DH only are people going to pony up more than DH value for him on the hope that after year one of the contract they get more out of him? Don't get me wrong he's a great hitter, but as just a DH he's not worth a mega contract, and being unsure if he'll ever be more than that again has to dampen the market

You don't think he could get a similar contract to what Judge got if he was just going to DH?

[insidethewrapper]

If he has a 2nd Tommy John surgery his pitching days may be at an end, and he becomes an everyday player, again just like The Babe did . He will still be worth a great deal but he is turning 30 next year. Only a few good years left.

It appears when you spend a lot of $$$ on one player, that team doesn't do well. Yankees this year, Trout year after year , Verlander and Scherzer with the Mets etc.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jayshum

You don't think he could get a similar contract to what Judge got if he was just going to DH?

No as Judge has a lot of value in the field as well, and was coming off of a season with 62 home runs. Then add the premium Judge realized due to the fact that if the Yankees hadn't signed him the fan base would've showed up with torches and pitchforks.

The Anaheim fans (both of them) will let out a collective yawn when Ohtani signs elsewhere.

Frankly Judge was a terrible signing as he has been injury prone and big guys don't tend to age well either, but the Yankees almost had to do it. The teams interested in Ohtani will learn from that mistake. I'd be surprised if he gets more than 5 years and $200m. The difference between a great DH and a very good DH doesn't justify $30m/year more of a team's payroll.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

No as Judge has a lot of value in the field as well, and was coming off of a season with 62 home runs. Then add the premium Judge realized due to the fact that if the Yankees hadn't signed him the fan base would've showed up with torches and pitchforks.

The Anaheim fans (both of them) will let out a collective yawn when Ohtani signs elsewhere.

Frankly Judge was a terrible signing as he has been injury prone and big guys don't tend to age well either, but the Yankees almost had to do it. The teams interested in Ohtani will learn from that mistake. I'd be surprised if he gets more than 5 years and $200m. The difference between a great DH and a very good DH doesn't justify $30m/year more of a team's payroll.

5 years and $200m is the same amount per year that Judge got. He just got a 9 year deal which I agree was a mistake given his injury history and the way he is likely to age, but as you said, the Yankees had to do it.

While teams may try to learn from that mistake once teams start bidding against each other, you never know how it will end up if someone decides they really want to sign him.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by jayshum

While teams may try to learn from that mistake once teams start bidding against each other, you never know how it will end up if someone decides they really want to sign him.

Sounds like me on auction night...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jayshum

5 years and $200m is the same amount per year that Judge got. He just got a 9 year deal which I agree was a mistake given his injury history and the way he is likely to age, but as you said, the Yankees had to do it.

While teams may try to learn from that mistake once teams start bidding against each other, you never know how it will end up if someone decides they really want to sign him.

It's the same amount per year but leaves off 4 unproductive years at the end. At least at 5 years you have a decent chance of meeting expectations.

[jethrod3]

Guess who is leading the league in both triples and home runs...

If this holds at the end of the season this will have only been the 3rd time it has been accomplished, and never by the Bambino. You need power and speed to pull of this incredible feat!

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Guess who is leading the league in both triples and home runs...

If this holds at the end of the season this will have only been the 3rd time it has been accomplished, and never by the Bambino. You need power and speed to pull of this incredible feat!

Interesting trivia question. Since 1900, it looks like there are actually 6 different players that have done it (based on what I found via Google searching). 3 of them I'm not that familiar with considering when they played so not sure about their speed. For the other 3, there is one that is surprising because speed is not something you would say about him.

Let's see some guesses.