The future of Shohei Ohtani

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I don't recall hearing speculation about Thome and steroids. Where have you seen that? Any sources you can provide? Ortiz, yes, because of the survey test that he supposedly failed, but nothing I remember being said about Thome.

Its just a lot of speculation like there is about Piazza because he was a big guy who hit a lot of home runs during the steroid era. There is no hard evidence at all that I am aware of. I hope Thome didn't use steroids, as that gives me hope that Alonso can age well too.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Its just a lot of speculation like there is about Piazza because he was a big guy who hit a lot of home runs during the steroid era. There is no hard evidence at all that I am aware of. I hope Thome didn't use steroids, as that gives me hope that Alonso can age well too.

The article you linked to says Thome had never been known to or thought to use steroids. The only speculation in it is about whether writers will hold him being big against him when he appears on the HoF ballot 5 years from when the article was written. To me that's a lot different than speculating that Thome used steroids because the players that the article seems to be putting in the same group as Thome are Piazza, Bagwell and Biggio. It says none of them are suspected of steroid use, but I think Piazza and Bagwell are by a fair amount of people. Biggio isn't thought to be a user as far as I remember, but I think he didn't get in first ballot for other reasons. Some people think he played a long time which git him to 3000 hits and not because he wasca truly great player.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The article you linked to says Thome had never been known to or thought to use steroids. The only speculation in it is about whether writers will hold him being big against him when he appears on the HoF ballot 5 years from when the article was written. To me that's a lot different than speculating that Thome used steroids because the players that the article seems to be putting in the same group as Thome are Piazza, Bagwell and Biggio. It says none of them are suspected of steroid use, but I think Piazza and Bagwell are by a fair amount of people. Biggio isn't thought to be a user as far as I remember, but I think he didn't get in first ballot for other reasons. Some people think he played a long time which git him to 3000 hits and not because he wasca truly great player.

Yeah, I am just talking about how everyone from that era who hit a lot of home runs get lumped together for potentially using steroids, with our without evidence. https://larrybrownsports.com/basebal...im-thome/82686
I wasn't trying to single out Thome, per se.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Don't look now, but Julio making a serious run at MVP.

[packs]

Wow didn’t realize Julio had turned it on so much. He’s hit 352 in the second half.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Wow didn’t realize Julio had turned it on so much. He’s hit 352 in the second half.

And he's on a real team. If Shohei is shut down and Julio stays hot for the next three weeks, who knows.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And he's on a real team. If Shohei is shut down and Julio stays hot for the next three weeks, who knows.

Stupid question, perhaps, but why don't they do the MVP voting after the postseason is over? Not just for baseball, but for football as well. I would have thought that postseason play (if any) should be taken into account when evaluating a player's value to a team.

I admire Ohtani for a variety of reasons. Trout also. But I suspect that it's easier to perform on the field when 1/5 of your games are meaningless.