Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[JustinD]

This is the result of the investors beginning to outnumber the collectors. A quick perusal of Blowout Forum (flipper central) will net you a an 80/20 positive thought level on card doctoring. The history is backseat to the profit margin.

Sadly as technology progresses this is what I believe will kill the hobby and many more. I envision a 15-20 window before advancement steps up to repair or create such perfect replicas that they will be virtually indistinguishable from original. The TPGs will be rendered useless and it money for purists will possibly flip to low mid grades in the oldest holsters possible. Who knows, but technology will kill history

[raulus]

Originally Posted by JustinD

This is the result of the investors beginning to outnumber the collectors. A quick perusal of Blowout Forum (flipper central) will net you a an 80/20 positive thought level on card doctoring. The history is backseat to the profit margin.

Sadly as technology progresses this is what I believe will kill the hobby and many more. I envision a 15-20 window before advancement steps up to repair or create such perfect replicas that they will be virtually indistinguishable from original. The TPGs will be rendered useless and it money for purists will possibly flip to low mid grades in the oldest holsters possible. Who knows, but technology will kill history

Speaking of the future, if it’s so easy to create a high grade card today, I would expect the pop numbers will start rising dramatically, and prices should fall, because the supply should easily outstrip demand. Particularly if you can spin $50 into $30,000 with so little effort and relatively few skills.

With any luck, the doctors will put themselves out of business by driving down the price for their work.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Speaking of the future, if it’s so easy to create a high grade card today, I would expect the pop numbers will start rising dramatically, and prices should fall, because the supply should easily outstrip demand. Particularly if you can spin $50 into $30,000 with so little effort and relatively few skills.

With any luck, the doctors will put themselves out of business by driving down the price for their work.

What? They've been at this for decades. Do you see prices declining?

[Yoda]

With PWCC now under new management, applying new standards to both bidders and consigners, and, hopefully, severing relations with known 'fixers', I hope the integrity of their auctions will improve. At a minimum, when receiving a highly graded vintage card, they should do their own due diligence and check Blowout to see if the submitted card has been outed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

With PWCC now under new management, applying new standards to both bidders and consigners, and, hopefully, severing relations with known 'fixers', I hope the integrity of their auctions will improve. At a minimum, when receiving a highly graded vintage card, they should do their own due diligence and check Blowout to see if the submitted card has been outed.

Why does that apply only to PWCC/Fanatics?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What? They've been at this for decades. Do you see prices declining?

Which probably is a sign that it can’t be that widespread and/or easy to do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Which probably is a sign that it can’t be that widespread and/or easy to do.

Don't you wish.

Among other things we are not talking about a static demand and supply curve, but huge outward shifts in the demand curve over time. As more and more examples of iconic cards have been graded over time, e.g. the 311, prices should be declining under your theory independent of doctoring or not. Not so.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Don't you wish.

Put your economist hat on. When something is easy to do and you can make bank, then everyone will rush in and start doing it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Put your economist hat on. When something is easy to do and you can make bank, then everyone will rush in and start doing it.

There are many card doctors. Trust me. Look at all the ones exposed on Blowout and they missed or could not pin down several of the most important ones.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Put your economist hat on. When something is easy to do and you can make bank, then everyone will rush in and start doing it.

Some people may actually have morals and not do it even though they could.

[G1911]

I can’t imagine paying $30,000 for a common card of Monte Irvin, altered or not. I spent $3 on my copy, I have a hard time seeing as how removing the creases and giving it sharp corners would increase my enjoyment 10,000 times the current level of enjoyment.

If ‘collectors’ didn’t require validation and a label on a 1-10 scale this fraud would not me so immense and profitable. People’s ego’s needing the highest number is inevitably going to produce astonishing levels of fraud when it is so easy to create the items they are paying silly amounts of money for.

How many of us gave up this grading sham once we realized just how fake most of these cards are and the utter incompetence (at best) of PSA to detect it? It seems to mostly be people who never bought in in the first place, people against the fraud but continuing to participate in the game anyways, and people who just don’t care or actively cheerlead or defend fraud.

[BobbyStrawberry]

When I see a 70+ year-old card in a PSA 9, I assume that it's been altered.

And it's absolutely nuts to me that someone would pay $29,950 more for a card that barely looks any better than the 5 just because someone looked at it and slapped a higher number on the label.