Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

Snowman · #1 09-18-2023, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Card altering does not phase you and you hate the BO board. We have heard this from you repeatedly.

The PSA 7 that I saw posted absolutely had print defects, as is typical for the card, on the right side. There was a small and short print line extending into the border mid way up on the right side and a larger print defect on Mays' arms. Sorry if you missed it but you did.

I'll look again. I thought you were referring to the back borders that he highlighted in his post, which were definitely not recolored.

Also, I don't hate the BODA board. I think they've largely provided a great service to the hobby. I just think they've gotten lazy and irresponsible at times with some of the cards they post.

Lorewalker · #2 09-18-2023, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll look again. I thought you were referring to the back borders that he highlighted in his post, which were definitely not recolored.

I looked at the cards he posted and did not even bother to read what he posted. When you look with an open mind, you see much more. If I knew how to properly post an image here I would post what I think was the scan of the PSA 7. 100% the card is recolored.

You should not have jumped all over this without being more thorough in your examination.

Snowman · #3 09-18-2023, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I looked at the cards he posted and did not even bother to read what he posted. When you look with an open mind, you see much more. If I knew how to properly post an image here I would post what I think was the scan of the PSA 7. 100% the card is recolored.

You should not have jumped all over this without being more thorough in your examination.

I was wrong. There does appear to be a couple of small print lines on the front right border that may have been removed (I say "may have been" because you can still see them in the 8.5 scan but they appear to be significantly less noticeable).

What I looked at, and rolled my eyes at, was his up close comparison to the top back border, which he made a gif image of. After that, I just moved on.

Where do you see recoloring though?

Lorewalker · #4 09-18-2023, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I was wrong. There does appear to be a couple of small print lines on the front right border that may have been removed (I say "may have been" because you can still see them in the 8.5 scan but they appear to be significantly less noticeable).

What I looked at, and rolled my eyes at, was his up close comparison to the top back border, which he made a gif image of. After that, I just moved on.

Where do you see recoloring though?

Travis you are better than this and do not need me to point this out. What's going on?

https://postimg.cc/TL6hd3T4

raulus · #5 09-18-2023, 05:25 PM

And I guess I now have an altered card in my collection, in spite of my protestations that it's not that common.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8106

*sigh*

Peter_Spaeth · #6 09-18-2023, 05:32 PM

Did any of your high grade "oddball" cards come from Dave Thorn? Small Traditions.

raulus · #7 09-18-2023, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did any of your high grade "oddball" cards come from Dave Thorn? Small Traditions.

Not that I know of...

But it sounds like they used several distribution channels, so it's hard to tell sometimes.

Snowman · #8 09-18-2023, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Travis you are better than this and do not need me to point this out. What's going on?

https://postimg.cc/TL6hd3T4

Oof. Apologies. Ya, that's pretty bad. I read everything too quickly and was only looking at the edges, since he highlighted those.

I'd love to see what this card looks like in hand. Specifically his arms and that white border. I don't know how recoloring works, but it sure seems to sneak through a lot more often than we'd all hope.

Snowman · #9 09-18-2023, 05:45 PM

When he posted the Mays the first time, I didn't see anything about the recoloring or print lines removed. I believe he only showed the the pictures of the back edges, which he has since reposted. Those images do not bear any evidence of trimming or recoloring of the back edges. That's why I was confused and critical of his prior post. But he has since updated it, or reposted rather, and is now pointing out the recoloring on Mays' forearms, which is clearly there, as Lorewalker pointed out. And the print lines on the right border appear to have been "improved" as well (although I don't believe corndog mentioned those - yet).

Lorewalker · #10 09-18-2023, 05:52 PM

He did show the fronts of the cards. Had he not posted those front pics I never could have picked up the obvious recoloring. He was vague as to what had been done.

Also that print line flaw is on many 54 Topps Mays cards (frequently varies in size) however there are some that do not have them (maybe they are recolored too) but I have never seen a 54 Mays with the print line flaw in anything higher than a 7. Assumption is that PSA does not see it as a variation but a flaw that reduces the grade.

Quite a bit of misinformation being tossed around as fact on this thread.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 09-18-2023, 01:46 PM

Pretty unlikely IMO a 7 would go to an 8.5 unless something was done to it, particularly if the card is associated with certain people.

Lorewalker · #12 09-18-2023, 02:08 PM

Unable to post the scan so hopefully these links work...if I only had a brain...

Here is the card as a 7. https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac...MONTHLY1527430

And now as an 8.5. https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac...MONTHLY1620352

It was later sold on eBay.

55koufax · #13 09-18-2023, 02:32 PM

My '55 AA's will always be a target for alterers.

Moral of the story - I should have never sold a single card from the cellos!

Exhibitman · #14 09-18-2023, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 55koufax

Moral of the story - I should have never sold a single card from the cellos!

Nah, you can't think like that. I mean, if you sold a car to a guy who then mowed down a row of kids at a bus stop, you aren't to blame.

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