Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

raulus · #1 09-19-2023, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Good luck and keep us posted. Did you mention you are a member of net54? That might have raised the level of importance for PSA

HA.

No disrespect to this august body, but I'm not convinced they will be effectively swayed by my participation in this forum.

I haven't really considered how I'm going to approach it once they get back to me. If they are dismissive, then I'll probably have to find ways to push a little harder. And I suppose a little online pressure can sometimes be used to help a company do the right thing.

But we'll see how it goes, and I'll be happy to share the outcome when it unfolds.

My guess is they'll look at the data, suggest that they are two different cards, and thank me for my time. Or some variation on that theme.

Snowman · #2 09-19-2023, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

HA.

No disrespect to this august body, but I'm not convinced they will be effectively swayed by my participation in this forum.

I haven't really considered how I'm going to approach it once they get back to me. If they are dismissive, then I'll probably have to find ways to push a little harder. And I suppose a little online pressure can sometimes be used to help a company do the right thing.

But we'll see how it goes, and I'll be happy to share the outcome when it unfolds.

My guess is they'll look at the data, suggest that they are two different cards, and thank me for my time. Or some variation on that theme.

They're not going to care about a before scan of the card in question. All they can do, and I would argue all that they should be expected to do, is evaluate the card itself again, in hand. You can point them to the alteration, but if it is not detectable in hand, under a loupe, then it's not detectable. This is why so many trimmed cards get the thumbs up from them after being sent in for review. If it measures correctly and the edges look right, there's really nothing they can do. However, in this case, it should be detectable.

Johnny630 · #3 09-19-2023, 06:51 PM

This is dangerous they could also lower the grade back down to a 7 and your Royally F&Cked�will only get compensated the difference.

Raulis just sit back take 72 hours and think this over sir. Again your collection is beautiful and you should be proud.

raulus · #4 09-19-2023, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

This is dangerous they could also lower the grade back down to a 7 and you…will only get compensated the difference. .

I would take this deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The current value difference between a 7 and an 8.5 is well into 5 figures.

Now whether I should take the proceeds and invest it back into another comparable piece is another question, but I will cross that bridge if I ever get there.

parkplace33 · #5 09-26-2023, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

I would take this deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The current value difference between a 7 and an 8.5 is well into 5 figures.

Now whether I should take the proceeds and invest it back into another comparable piece is another question, but I will cross that bridge if I ever get there.

Did you get a respond from PSA on your concern?

raulus · #6 09-26-2023, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Did you get a respond from PSA on your concern?

In spite of their autoresponse that they would make every attempt to get back to me within three business days, it's been (/checks calendar) ~5 business days with no response.

In related news, I actually had emailed them a few days before about another matter, and they haven't responded to that email either.

So either they're ignoring all of my emails, or they're just slow. Or both.

parkplace33 · #7 09-26-2023, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

In spite of their autoresponse that they would make every attempt to get back to me within three business days, it's been (/checks calendar) ~5 business days with no response.

In related news, I actually had emailed them a few days before about another matter, and they haven't responded to that email either.

So either they're ignoring all of my emails, or they're just slow. Or both.

Frustrating. I hope they back to you soonest.

parkplace33 · #8 10-06-2023, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

In spite of their autoresponse that they would make every attempt to get back to me within three business days, it's been (/checks calendar) ~5 business days with no response.

In related news, I actually had emailed them a few days before about another matter, and they haven't responded to that email either.

So either they're ignoring all of my emails, or they're just slow. Or both.

Any update from PSA on either? Curious what their response is (if anything at all).

Snowman · #9 09-19-2023, 08:03 PM

At this point, I'm not sure what is being accomplished by BODA continuing to call out some of these cards. Particularly those which were altered by guys like Moser. It's not like we're going to further tarnish his reputation. I think the message that he alters cards is pretty clear by now. Continuing to post examples of his work can only hurt innocent collectors at this point. And the legal exposure for the BODA crew is very much non-zero. If they are wrong about a card and it costs someone money, they could easily be sued. Similar suits are currently pending, in fact.

Does every high end collector just sit around and wait for their turn in the BODA hopper now? Should we all just light our 401c on fire now?

Or perhaps the opposite will happen. The more that BODA posts, the more the hobby learns about what sorts of alterations are possible, and how they can be performed. Perhaps we will start seeing some of these well known card doctors offering their services with links to the BODA threads for free marketing, "As seen on BODA"

Peter_Spaeth · #10 09-19-2023, 09:13 PM

Very original Travis, see my post 16.

Snowman · #11 09-20-2023, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Very original Travis, see my post 16.

Lol. You must have planted a seed!

Snowman · #12 09-20-2023, 04:22 AM

I read somewhere that Brian Brusokas is now working at PWCC. This is a joke, right? He's not really working there, is he?

Lorewalker · #13 09-19-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

They're not going to care about a before scan of the card in question. All they can do, and I would argue all that they should be expected to do, is evaluate the card itself again, in hand. You can point them to the alteration, but if it is not detectable in hand, under a loupe, then it's not detectable. This is why so many trimmed cards get the thumbs up from them after being sent in for review. If it measures correctly and the edges look right, there's really nothing they can do. However, in this case, it should be detectable.

Agree here. If they actually review it, the recoloring should be pretty evident once the area is pointed out, not that it ever should have to be pointed out. They are supposed to make sure cards like this do not get into holders.

Unlike so many other alterations that are much harder to detect once the card is in the holder, the recoloring is not. I think they write checks on cards like this when they feel the alteration is not masked by the fact the card is encapsulated. This is why their guarantee is utterly worthless.

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