Heritage Auctions - Boston Garters

[oldjudge]

One thing that hasn't been discussed but I wonder about is what if, when Powell was the high bidder but before he was locked out, he had put in say an $800k limit bid. My guess is that the auction software would have still recorded him as the winner than night, but what would HA have done the next morning when the dust settled? His high bid on the auction program would have been unchanged (since no one outbid him on the aggregate lot) but by his limit bid he expressed a willingness to bid higher than the sum of the individual bids. Would he have been declared the winner at one increment over the sum of the individual bids or would his limit bid have been ignored since it was never executed by the auction software? If he had done that he would have had even a stronger case to be the winner. BTW, this is just after the fact pontificating; I am not saying that Powell should have realized this at the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

One thing that hasn't been discussed but I wonder about is what if, when Powell was the high bidder but before he was locked out, he had put in say an $800k limit bid. My guess is that the auction software would have still recorded him as the winner than night, but what would HA have done the next morning when the dust settled? His high bid on the auction program would have been unchanged (since no one outbid him on the aggregate lot) but by his limit bid he expressed a willingness to bid higher than the sum of the individual bids. Would he have been declared the winner at one increment over the sum of the individual bids or would his limit bid have been ignored since it was never executed by the auction software? If he had done that he would have had even a stronger case to be the winner. BTW, this is just after the fact pontificating; I am not saying that Powell should have realized this at the time.

In that scenario awfully hard for Heritage to say he didn't win.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

One thing that hasn't been discussed but I wonder about is what if, when Powell was the high bidder but before he was locked out, he had put in say an $800k limit bid. My guess is that the auction software would have still recorded him as the winner than night, but what would HA have done the next morning when the dust settled? His high bid on the auction program would have been unchanged (since no one outbid him on the aggregate lot) but by his limit bid he expressed a willingness to bid higher than the sum of the individual bids. Would he have been declared the winner at one increment over the sum of the individual bids or would his limit bid have been ignored since it was never executed by the auction software? If he had done that he would have had even a stronger case to be the winner. BTW, this is just after the fact pontificating; I am not saying that Powell should have realized this at the time.

As I understand it, the mechanics here are simple. Perhaps excessively simple given the stakes.

Wait until all lots are closed. Then add up the final price on all the individual lots. Compare it to the final price on the set lot. Whichever is highest, wins.

If accurate, then putting in a higher max bid doesn’t do any good, unless someone actually triggers it by bidding against you ON YOUR SPECIFIC LOT.

Edited to add the all caps bit.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

As I understand it, the mechanics here are simple. Perhaps excessively simple given the stakes.

Wait until all lots are closed. Then add up the final price on all the individual lots. Compare it to the final price on the set lot. Whichever is highest, wins.

If accurate, then putting in a higher max bid doesn’t do any good, unless someone actually triggers it by bidding against you.

Right, it would not have kicked in, but IMO it makes his case on the equities airtight. He had the highest bid, regardless whether the stupid software took it.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, it would not have kicked in, but IMO it makes his case on the equities airtight. He had the highest bid, regardless whether the stupid software took it.

Agreed, with one caveat. Someone (or multiple someones) might have max bids on the individual lot side as well. For all we know, someone really wanted one of those individual lots, and put a max bid of a cool $1M on it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Agreed, with one caveat. Someone (or multiple someones) might have max bids on the individual lot side as well. For all we know, someone really wanted one of those individual lots, and put a max bid of a cool $1M on it.

Fair. In a just world you would need to do apples to apples.

[perezfan]

By this time, it seems everyone has given thoughtful input and advice… most of which is very astute. Wouldn’t it be nice if Heritage would post something here? They used to have a guy who posted here with regularity, mostly to promote upcoming auctions.

It just seems to me that they should post something here to clarify their stance, and perhaps more importantly to advise us with plans to remedy these types of problematic situations, moving forward. Is that asking too much?

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by perezfan

By this time, it seems everyone has given thoughtful input and advice… most of which is very astute. Wouldn’t it be nice if Heritage would post something here? They used to have a guy who posted here with regularity, mostly to promote upcoming auctions.

It just seems to me that they should post something here to clarify their stance, and perhaps more importantly to advise us with plans to remedy these types of problematic situations, moving forward. Is that asking too much?

No, it is not asking too much. There is a real problem with admitting mistakes in today's culture.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Pete Calderon used to post for Heritage, if memory serves.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by perezfan

By this time, it seems everyone has given thoughtful input and advice… most of which is very astute. Wouldn’t it be nice if Heritage would post something here? They used to have a guy who posted here with regularity, mostly to promote upcoming auctions.

It just seems to me that they should post something here to clarify their stance, and perhaps more importantly to advise us with plans to remedy these types of problematic situations, moving forward. Is that asking too much?

Not going to defend HA here.

But I’m not sure they have much to gain by posting.

Just guessing at this part! -> Especially if they’re ignoring the whole situation. Perhaps because in their mind everything went down as planned. Might even be oblivious to the whole situation.

Now if they expected to make some changes because they learned something, then a post would be a better idea.

[Peter_Spaeth]

They don't care and for good reason. In a week we will all forget.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They don't care and for good reason. In a week we will all forget.

Maybe some, but not Powell

[DCDcollects]

It's been a long time since I've checked records, but I know we had a complete set of these 1914. Pretty sure we had a complete (or near) 1912 set as well.

If I recall correctly, the 1912s sold privately, while the 1914 set was sold in the higher-end catalog we did. This was maybe 10 years ago, so my memories could be off a bit.

Always loved these cards, along with the other display materials one could have with them!