Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

ClementeFanOh · #1 10-23-2023, 01:05 PM

Peter- You're correct in that this isn't hard to grasp, you are just getting the
"hard to grasp" item wrong (deliberately, in all likelihood)...

The original post was a self-described "vent" by someone who expressed
astonishment/contempt/bemusement about the continuous self-involved
exploits of ARod, who apparently had to start a campaign to get his number
retired by the Yankees (yes, he's burrowing ever lower into the desperate
former athlete category). This is very, very easy to follow UNTIL people
derail. You and the omniscient baseball guru 1911 fall into this category.
You and 1911 are essentially the "ARods" of this thread, actually- blissfully
unaware that you are in the wrong and dug in. Feel free to stay there, but
it won't make either of you right.

Bottom line: the Yankees organization clearly feels that they have no need,
and certainly no obligation, to honor a fecal stain who caused them
headache after headache. It's their call, everything else is smoke. Capisce?

Trent King

G1911 · #2 10-23-2023, 01:10 PM

Oh, if only omniscience was as easy to achieve as recognize the indisputable fact that PED scandal is not the barrier to Yankee number retirement we would all be omniscient.

I am always amused when you and I are throw in together, Peter, considering that we do nothing but argue with each other and agree on almost nothing under the sun beyond some elementary underling facts of whatever the issue is.

ClementeFanOh · #3 10-23-2023, 01:13 PM

1911- And I'm always amused when you anoint yourself the undisputed
arbiter of fact. Got anything pertaining to the initial point of the post? King

Trent King

G1911 · #4 10-23-2023, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

1911- And I'm always amused when you anoint yourself the undisputed
arbiter of fact. Got anything pertaining to the initial point of the post? King

Trent King

You mean the original post that called out his PED use as a disqualifying reason? Yes, go read!

I know it's been a month since my favorite stalker has carried on his personal vendetta, but try harder.

ClementeFanOh · #5 10-23-2023, 01:17 PM

Peter- nope, not gonna work. There's no ranting or raving, all breakable
objects in my home are quite safe. Blood pressure checks ok, good to go.
Try to stay on point next time- wait. Don't try, actually do it. Anything related
to the scope of the original thread post, or is it more diversion? Trent King

PS- I already know the answer to that question.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 10-23-2023, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Peter- nope, not gonna work. There's no ranting or raving, all breakable
objects in my home are quite safe. Blood pressure checks ok, good to go.
Try to stay on point next time- wait. Don't try, actually do it. Anything related
to the scope of the original thread post, or is it more diversion? Trent King

PS- I already know the answer to that question.

My question whether players from the steroid era (including ARod) can be fairly evaluated is clearly on topic to the OP.. Next point?

packs · #7 10-23-2023, 01:37 PM

But evaluated for what? The article and thread title is about whether the Yankees should retire a player's number. There are no statistical parameters for that.

packs · #8 10-23-2023, 01:13 PM

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 10-23-2023, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packs

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

Shoeless Moe · #10 10-23-2023, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 10-23-2023, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

Shoeless Moe · #12 10-23-2023, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston), Strawberry & Gooden (Mets) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired.

ClementeFanOh · #13 10-23-2023, 06:27 PM

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren�t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn�t getting what he craves. You�re wrong, it�s a cited reason but not the only reason. That�s the beauty of Arod- you can�t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

G1911 · #14 10-23-2023, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren�t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn�t getting what he craves. You�re wrong, it�s a cited reason but not the only reason. That�s the beauty of Arod- you can�t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

Off topic! This post deviates from the OP, and is thus off topic. Get on topic

Peter_Spaeth · #15 10-23-2023, 01:11 PM

Post 20 raised the PED question as to whether he was overrated as a player. I responded to that by questioning how anyone in the steroid era could be fairly evaluated, and Greg pointed out that PEDs could not be the reason for devaluing ARod by the Yankees given how they treated Petitte. This is all clearly within the subject, easy to understand, and I don't know what your issue is at this point, though I won't take it personally if you want to rant and rave some more.

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