Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

[G1911]

Oh, if only omniscience was as easy to achieve as recognize the indisputable fact that PED scandal is not the barrier to Yankee number retirement we would all be omniscient.

I am always amused when you and I are throw in together, Peter, considering that we do nothing but argue with each other and agree on almost nothing under the sun beyond some elementary underling facts of whatever the issue is.

[ClementeFanOh]

1911- And I'm always amused when you anoint yourself the undisputed
arbiter of fact. Got anything pertaining to the initial point of the post? King

Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

1911- And I'm always amused when you anoint yourself the undisputed
arbiter of fact. Got anything pertaining to the initial point of the post? King

Trent King

You mean the original post that called out his PED use as a disqualifying reason? Yes, go read!

I know it's been a month since my favorite stalker has carried on his personal vendetta, but try harder.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter- nope, not gonna work. There's no ranting or raving, all breakable
objects in my home are quite safe. Blood pressure checks ok, good to go.
Try to stay on point next time- wait. Don't try, actually do it. Anything related
to the scope of the original thread post, or is it more diversion? Trent King

PS- I already know the answer to that question.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Peter- nope, not gonna work. There's no ranting or raving, all breakable
objects in my home are quite safe. Blood pressure checks ok, good to go.
Try to stay on point next time- wait. Don't try, actually do it. Anything related
to the scope of the original thread post, or is it more diversion? Trent King

PS- I already know the answer to that question.

My question whether players from the steroid era (including ARod) can be fairly evaluated is clearly on topic to the OP.. Next point?

[packs]

But evaluated for what? The article and thread title is about whether the Yankees should retire a player's number. There are no statistical parameters for that.

[packs]

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston), Strawberry & Gooden (Mets) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired..

While of course there some intangibles, it seems to me stats are the foundation and the most important consideration.

[packs]

A lot of the Yankees have their number retired because of what they meant to the team. There are 23 numbers retired and 10 of them are not HOFers. One of the HOFers is Phil Rizzuto.

The Red Sox retired Johnny Pesky’s number.

The Angels retired Jim Fregosi’s number.

The Astros have retired 9 numbers of which 3 are HOFers.

The Guardians retired Mel Harder’s number.

There are other examples as well. It all depends on how you feel about sometimes all stars and whether you’re a fan of that team.

[ClementeFanOh]

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren’t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn’t getting what he craves. You’re wrong, it’s a cited reason but not the only reason. That’s the beauty of Arod- you can’t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren’t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn’t getting what he craves. You’re wrong, it’s a cited reason but not the only reason. That’s the beauty of Arod- you can’t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

Off topic! This post deviates from the OP, and is thus off topic. Get on topic