Decoding the “why” of 1948/1949 Leaf Sets

[tedzan]

And then, there is BLUE or no BLUE.



TED Z

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[yanks87]

Originally Posted by tedzan

And then, there is BLUE or no BLUE.



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I love that Platt card. If ever there was an example of letting the ink run out, there it is!

[G1911]

Here's another interesting Leaf that may be useful. The Great John L is supposed to look like the normal card on left (though not miscut!). This copy on right has him without the blue pants. However, I do not believe this is really an 'ink ran out' situation because the outline of his pants and belt is still in bold blue. If blue ink was out, it shouldn't be outlined instead of filled in in the normal shade and depth of color.

Unlike the Hostak, Louis and Graziano's, this Sullivan is a gray stock card.

I have always been suspicious of the Graziano. The picture quality is so different from every other card in the set.

[G1911]

Going through my archive now for anything else that might be useful to Leaf researchers. This Chalky Wright is not mine. Weird, even for a Leaf. Not sure I've seen another one in any of the sets quite like it. The others errors are also not mine; I only own the white pants Sullivan out of all these.

2 copies of the sheet shown as well, also not mine. The numbering is largely in order vertically down a column.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by G1911

Going through my archive now for anything else that might be useful to Leaf researchers. This Chalky Wright is not mine. Weird, even for a Leaf. Not sure I've seen another one in any of the sets quite like it. The others errors are also not mine; I only own the white pants Sullivan out of all these.

2 copies of the sheet shown as well, also not mine. The numbering is largely in order vertically down a column.

That's a whole lot of fun. Errors are amazing, just an example of the "anything goes" approach to printing. All of those overprints are flipped, they had the red and blue plates right, then flipped the sheet for the black hit, love it. Chalky Wright is missing his black plate, but looks to be early on in the print run as that red is SATURATED! This is all great materials to have, as I had said before, I am just getting into the boxing, and I had hoped it would have been the easy one, but alas, Leaf Printing is synonymous with lack of Quality Control!

[G1911]

And here's all of the Graziano's that have publicly available images (as far as I have found). This is the marque card in the boxing hobby, but I am rather suspicious of it. It does not look like the other cards; a much more detailed and colorful picture of him than any other subject. It looks like one of those homemade cards where a different picture type is laid onto a Leaf design. I'm not saying it's a later creation or fake or not period, but I doubt it was just a normal card quickly pulled from the sheet over legal issues. It really doesn't look right.

Perhaps I shouldn't question it; the Graziano being the hyper marquee card in the hobby leaves the other great short prints cheaper for me

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by G1911

Here's another interesting Leaf that may be useful. The Great John L is supposed to look like the normal card on left (though not miscut!). This copy on right has him without the blue pants. However, I do not believe this is really an 'ink ran out' situation because the outline of his pants and belt is still in bold blue. If blue ink was out, it shouldn't be outlined instead of filled in in the normal shade and depth of color.

Unlike the Hostak, Louis and Graziano's, this Sullivan is a gray stock card.

I have always been suspicious of the Graziano. The picture quality is so different from every other card in the set.

This could be one of the cards that was featured in the salesman sample set. Since the trunks are in blue, it is definitely not the ink running out, rather a plate change to affect the look of the card. It sounds like the card stock backs that up as well.

I attached the Newhouser example for those who haven't seen it, just to illustrate that there are only a couple of cards that fall outside the 7x7=49 cards per sheet runs. This would be the equivalent of a Graziano to me, as the image totally changed from sample to production, probably because you couldn't tell who it was!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by yanks87

This could be one of the cards that was featured in the salesman sample set. Since the trunks are in blue, it is definitely not the ink running out, rather a plate change to affect the look of the card. It sounds like the card stock backs that up as well.

I attached the Newhouser example for those who haven't seen it, just to illustrate that there are only a couple of cards that fall outside the 7x7=49 cards per sheet runs. This would be the equivalent of a Graziano to me, as the image totally changed from sample to production, probably because you couldn't tell who it was!

The 1 of a kind Newhouser is, in my eyes, as cool as post-war cards get. There's a few Rocky's out there, but only one of this card.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by G1911

The 1 of a kind Newhouser is, in my eyes, as cool as post-war cards get. There's a few Rocky's out there, but only one of this card.

I bet “mom” threw out one or two of them.

[tedzan]

Here's my normally green Billy Johnson with a yellow background.



And then, my "psychedelic-looking" Billy Johnson



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