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Old 10-30-2023, 02:44 PM
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Cartoonish? I think it's beautiful. Plenty of cartoonish cards in the 1950-52 Bowman and '53 Topps. Yes, I said it. Many 1953 Topps are hideous. Don't understand the praise most of the time.
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Old 10-30-2023, 03:21 PM
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Wow it’s the same card somebody lost $850,000 ,
(Unless of course it changed hands between sales)

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Wow it’s the same card somebody lost $850,000 ,
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I have only owned one. Twenty five or so years ago I bought a raw one I thought would grade 5. Paid $6K for it. It was worth $8K at that time in a 5 and $6K in a 4. It graded 4. Sold it for $6K. Lost the $50 grading fee. Yes, at that time PSA would grade a ‘52 Topps Mantle for $50 with two day service. Good old days on fees. Don’t think I will be losing $850K on one any time soon.
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Here is VCP data on PSA 8’s (the 1st pic) and PSA 2’s (the 2nd pic). I recognize that eye appeal can vary much more between PSA 2’s vs PSA 8’s (all of which should be dang nice), but it appears the card in both grades has come down about 50% from their peaks.

I think it’s a upper-most/top card, just like the 1987 Fleer Jordan. But, also like the Fleer Jordan, they are plentiful and available. Anyone willing to spend the cash can get one. It seems like there are 2-4 in every large auction I look at (Heritage, REA, etc) and 5-8 in every Goldin auction. It’s just too common a card. PSA 8s may not be as common, but at that point you may be buying the flip and not the card. If you have the money and you want a Mantle (or Jordan), just wait until the next auction and you will have plenty to choose from.
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All good points except one: I think it is a nice-looking card.



But I happen to like the 1952 set. Not as nice as some of the other cards in the set,



but not a dog either, given that it is a Flexichrome, not real photo.

I happen to think the 1953 Topps is far more cartoonish and unattractive, but I am in the minority there.
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Hoping the mid grade continue to drop a little more, as I’m selfishly trying to take advantage to have a real go at finishing my set. Beyond set needs, I actually like the card. I’ve always wanted one, just haven’t been in position to purchase the ones I’ve came across.

I actually took motivation from a recent member on here who sold their collection to buy a 52T Mantle. Decided to take a similar approach, sent a big group of cards to REA for their fall auction. Hoping I can pull enough to shop for a nice VG-VG/EX Mantle.
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I was talking to a long time collector today about this post and 52 mantle in general. We both believe you will be able to get a nice psa or Sgc 5 52 mantle for under 6 figures in the near future.
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The majority of the variance in hammer prices can be explained by the eye appeal.

That said, there has definitely been a significant shift in the market ever since the terrorist attack in Israel. People are afraid of a much larger conflict brewing.
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The majority of the variance in hammer prices can be explained by the eye appeal.

That said, there has definitely been a significant shift in the market ever since the terrorist attack in Israel. People are afraid of a much larger conflict brewing.

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The majority of the variance in hammer prices can be explained by the eye appeal.

That said, there has definitely been a significant shift in the market ever since the terrorist attack in Israel. People are afraid of a much larger conflict brewing.
Maybe generally true, but in this case it was the exact card in question that sold for 850K less, so eye appeal can't be the explanation.
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Cartoonish? I think it's beautiful. Plenty of cartoonish cards in the 1950-52 Bowman and '53 Topps. Yes, I said it. Many 1953 Topps are hideous. Don't understand the praise most of the time.
Like the '51 Bowman of Paul Richards.
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Like the '51 Bowman of Paul Richards.

I might be sticking my neck out on this, but I believe the 1951 Bowman of Paul Richards is a fine looking, interesting card. If you beg to differ, feel free to share your opinion...I'm all ears.

A playing card set should be issued where all the players are drawn in caricature and have elongated necks. It could be called the All Necks on Deck.


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I might be sticking my neck out on this, but I believe the 1951 Bowman of Paul Richards is a fine looking, interesting card. If you beg to differ, feel free to share your opinion...I'm all ears.

A playing card set should be issued where all the players are drawn in caricature and have elongated necks. It could be called the All Necks on Deck.


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.. that jawline cries out for caricature


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