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Old 11-15-2023, 10:57 PM
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The 60s Giants had Mays, McCovey, Marcihal, Perry, and lots of other solid players, and yet won only one pennant and no WS.
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I would have guessed Clemens, Johnson and Pedro.

I totally spaced on Halladay and Scherzer.

I thought of Gaylord Perry, then tossed the idea thinking "No way Gaylord won 2 Cy Youngs".

He really had an under-rated career while playing for a lot of poor to mediocre teams after getting traded from the Giants.
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The 60s Giants had Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Perry, and lots of other solid players, and yet won only one pennant and no WS.
...AND Cepeda!

They brought up two future Hall-of-Famers in consecutive years and BOTH were first basemen...
had to scramble of that one...needed both...to not accomplish what they didn't accomplish.

KOUFAX was one of the main obstacles.


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...AND Cepeda!

They brought up two future Hall-of-Famers in consecutive years and BOTH were first basemen...
had to scramble of that one...needed both...to not accomplish what they didn't accomplish.

KOUFAX was one of the main obstacles.


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and Bob Gibson. After the Giants beat the Dodgers in a playoff in 1962, the next 6 NL pennants were won by Koufax's Dodgers (3) and Gibson's Cardinals (3). They both won 2 World Series and 2 WS MVP.
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Marichal's best seasons (and they were superb) coincided with Koufax's three best and then Gibson's surreal one, and he never won the Cy.
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Marichal is probably the best pitcher to never win a Cy Young award or to be the best pitcher in his league for a season (though he is right there in 1969). I can't think of anyone better.
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Marichal is probably the best pitcher to never win a Cy Young award or to be the best pitcher in his league for a season (though he is right there in 1969). I can't think of anyone better.
Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young. Snubbed in 1973.

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Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young. Snubbed in 1973.

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I'd put him third in 1973. But I think he was the best pitcher in the league in 1981. Only knock on him that year is his innings count, but he was by far the best starter at not giving up runs.
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Marichal is probably the best pitcher to never win a Cy Young award or to be the best pitcher in his league for a season (though he is right there in 1969). I can't think of anyone better.
You could argue Mussina I think career wise, or Schilling.
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You could argue Mussina I think career wise, or Schilling.
Schilling finished 2nd three times, and each time deserved to be second. Those are good ones.
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