1921 Herpolsheimers graded w/o mark

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Another ad from the Apr 15, 1921 Grand Rapids Press:

Steve

The primary sources from 1921 are probably fakes planted by aliens or something

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

The primary sources from 1921 are probably fakes planted by aliens or something

Now that is just silly. Everyone knows aliens have not arrived on Earth yet. My inside source says it is a family of Bigfoot operating out of Oregon. Supposedly they have put enough high end counterfeit cards into the hobby they would sink a large boat.

[Brian Van Horn]

LOL. I love the last three responses. Keep up the satire!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

LOL. I love the last three responses. Keep up the satire!

Doesn’t primary source evidence contradict your claims?

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

LOL. I love the last three responses. Keep up the satire!

So, despite the fact that someone found an ad from Herpolsheimer's from 1921 for the exact set of cards that have been labeled by PSA as 1921 Herpolsheimer's you still think the cards are fake because a dealer in 1999 said the cards were from the 1970s?

And that even if the dealer was somehow correct about those cards, you think that the cards discovered in 2019 and the PSA 6 Collins are also fake, even though those were not among the group of cards that the dealer said were fake?

[hcv123]

GREAT detective work!

If the debate doesn't end here, I'm just not sure what I'm left to think Brian. I don't know you well. We've done a couple of successful transactions and had some good communication. After seeing the original advertisements from 1921 for the Herpolsheimer cards, is it still your opinion they are not legit?

[JollyElm]

Question:
Is the claim that none of these cards ever existed, or is the claim that they do/did exist, but the ones being discussed are themselves fake?

It's an important logical point for anyone like me who has come to the thread in media res.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Question:
Is the claim that none of these cards ever existed, or is the claim that they do/did exist, but the ones being discussed are themselves fake?

It's an important logical point for anyone like me who has come to the thread in media res.

His claim in this thread was that every and all 1921 Herpolsheimers are fakes (including the cards found after his alleged conversation with the unnamed dealer whose opinion is apparently the arbiter of all truth).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hcv123

GREAT detective work!

If the debate doesn't end here, I'm just not sure what I'm left to think.

+1

I’m not a “card guy” but I was alerted to Steve’s find in today’s email from LOTG. Speaking of love…I love it when I or anyone else can solve a mystery. For me, the history and stories of what we collect is what it’s all about.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

LOL. I love the last three responses. Keep up the satire!

All due respect Brian, that ad that Steve provided, thank you Steve, to me supports authenticity, unless of course the ad is fake. And while I'm not well versed on printing techniques and it may not be difficult but how does one fake bleed through on cards? The other thing that strikes me is the same "second floor" mention in both the ad and the card backs, pretty consistent imo.
Now of course the forger of the 70's may have found this ad and chosen it as a template for his craft but I find that implausible, I don't know what a forged Herp common was worth in the 70's but I would posit the "great forgery" wasn't very profitable at the time.