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View Poll Results: REA 1914 Babe Ruth vs 1952 Rosen Topps Mantle?
Ruth sells for more than the Mantle 134 62.04%
Ruth sells for less than the Mantle 60 27.78%
Ruth sells for roughly the same as the Mantle 22 10.19%
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:10 PM
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This isn't actually true. It's just a rumor going around Blowout from people who don't understand the capabilities. They're not using Genamint to grade cards at all.
Your source?
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:16 PM
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Welp!

$7.2M, with the juice.

The crash is here!!
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:20 PM
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Welp!

$7.2M, with the juice.

The crash is here!!
Let the spin begin.
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:23 PM
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I don't think it's a sign of a crash - the estimate of over $10m never made sense to me. Prices are down from 21/22 and the seller paid $6m supposedly to buy it back in 2021. $7.2m isn't bad. Not sure why it would have sold for 2x a price when cards were peak covid heights...
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:25 PM
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I thought that not selling the other BN lots was an odd choice (high reserves not met). It seems unlikely that they'll get more in an auction without the star attraction to carry them along. The reserve does help to explain why they were sold in a lot, I think. The seller was not prepared to sell the non-Ruths for what they saw as "low" final bids.
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I don't think it's a sign of a crash - the estimate of over $10m never made sense to me. Prices are down from 21/22 and the seller paid $6m supposedly to buy it back in 2021. $7.2m isn't bad. Not sure why it would have sold for 2x a price when cards were peak covid heights...
I think some people feel elite cards are their own submarket and just keep going up independent of the overall card market.
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:37 PM
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I think some people feel elite cards are their own submarket and just keep going up independent of the overall card market.
10M wasn't a bad estimate as it turned out. A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money!
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:49 PM
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While $7.2mm is much less than all the hype, it is a very solid price and a solid profit compared to what it was acquired for not too long ago. Also, I believe this exact card was recently available for sale on (the artist formally known as) Collectible for $8mm, and it never sold. If correct, I am not surprised that it sold for south of $8mm.

I wish it had gone for a zillion, billion million dollars. But $7.2mm is a very solid result in the real world.

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Does anyone think the cards will show up as individual lots in a future REA (or other auction)? And will average less than the $9K per card that they ended up at? I am leaning in this direction at the moment.
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While $7.4mm is much less than all the hype, it is a very solid price and a solid profit compared to what it was acquired for not too long ago. Also, I believe this exact card was recently available for sale on (the artist formally known as) Collectible for $8mm, and it never sold. If correct, I am not surprised that it sold for south of $8mm.

I wish it had gone for a zillion, billion million dollars. But $7.4mm is a very solid result in the real world.
Ryan—Why $7.4MM? Did REA raise their BP? Solid night for the consignor; kind of a gut punch for REA, especially with the other BN cards not selling. No need to hold a bake sale for them, but still somewhat of a black eye.
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While $7.2mm is much less than all the hype, it is a very solid price and a solid profit compared to what it was acquired for not too long ago. Also, I believe this exact card was recently available for sale on (the artist formally known as) Collectible for $8mm, and it never sold. If correct, I am not surprised that it sold for south of $8mm.

I wish it had gone for a zillion, billion million dollars. But $7.2mm is a very solid result in the real world.
Hi agree 100 pct . Many folks were saying 15 million plus ,oh well
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Your source?
Experience from my line of work and hearing Nat Turner expressly state that they are not using it to grade cards in multiple podcast interviews.

It's not possible to grade cards with the type of scans that PSA uses. No matter how high-def the images are. You need to have a machine that takes numerous images from every different angle with light reflected at different angles as well, and then convolve those images to create a topographic map like TAG Grading does in order to even begin to grade cards. And it's just too big of a hill to climb when it comes to vintage cards because of the surfaces.
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Experience from my line of work and hearing Nat Turner expressly state that they are not using it to grade cards in multiple podcast interviews.

It's not possible to grade cards with the type of scans that PSA uses. No matter how high-def the images are. You need to have a machine that takes numerous images from every different angle with light reflected at different angles as well, and then convolve those images to create a topographic map like TAG Grading does in order to even begin to grade cards. And it's just too big of a hill to climb when it comes to vintage cards because of the surfaces.
OK thanks for explaining. i'll check to see if there are any sources for guys saying otherwise. I don't necessarily trust PSA itself to be truthful, place more stock in your views informed by your expertise.

So do you think graders just have no clue how to grade vintage? Lots of stories, from reliable sources, about long time dealers getting absolutely screwed on subs and getting on average 2-3 grades lower than they expected even allowing for some tighter grading.
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