Why is the SGC Pop Report Getting Ignored?

Snowman · #1 12-11-2023, 04:29 AM

As a data guy, I suspect that SGC wants to resolve their pop report and registry issues, but they've probably been blindsided by the scope of just how challenging it is, and how big of a job it is, to fix everything.

I seem to recall hearing that their entire operation was only 8 people a few years back, before the hobby really started to expand again. I don't know if that's true, but if so, it gives you some insight into what their technical capabilities likely were until very recently.

I believe they have dozens of employees now, and they're clearly working on improving things on the technical side (improved website, built a fairly decent app, etc).

Fixing their pop reports and getting a useful registry up and running means a lot of work needs to get done on the backend to clean up all of the set redundancies you guys are talking about. It sounds like they weren't forward thinking enough in the early days about data quality, and now they have a mountain to climb in cleaning that up. Add in the complexity that ultra modern cards bring with the billions of distinct sets and checklists being printed each year now, and things start to just build and build.

They know the hobby wants a registry. I trust that they are indeed working on it. I just think it's a much bigger problem than they thought it was going to be, and they probably don't have all the technical resources necessary to get it done. Yet. Maybe 2024 will be the year!

parkplace33 · #2 12-11-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

They know the hobby wants a registry. I trust that they are indeed working on it. I just think it's a much bigger problem than they thought it was going to be, and they probably don't have all the technical resources necessary to get it done. Yet. Maybe 2024 will be the year!

Snowman, one can only hope. But I have heard the same thing for years and I am really curious if anyone at SGC is working on that.

Snowman · #3 12-11-2023, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Snowman, one can only hope. But I have heard the same thing for years and I am really curious if anyone at SGC is working on that.

The fact that they came out with an app this year was promising. And it allows you to place your graded cards into a "My Cards" repository/folder. This was a much easier project to tackle than rebuilding a useful registry, but it's a promising sign nonetheless.

ricktmd · #4 12-11-2023, 06:26 PM

I prefer not to say what side of the fence I am on as working with SGC is sure a lot easier and more reasonable than trying to work with PSA. If you are buying a very rare card its worth looking to see what is on the SGC pop report. I know a lot of people say SGC gets the same money as PSA. That is not true from what I see. There are countless examples of similar eye appeal cards (particularly T206's) where PSA cards do 10-20 % better numbers. For that reason alone valuable cards in the SGC pop report may have been crossed over to PSA. This makes SGC's report on specific cards potentially inaccurate. I also believe that the PSA has kept better records. Their population report is more extensive, with bigger quantities making it a better resource. I think that is the answer to the question on the original post. Still it is worthwhile to see what is on the SGC report when bidding or buying

HexsHeroes · #5 12-12-2023, 06:44 AM

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Simply, because I suspect there are lots of SGC graded items, up to and exceeding a year old, that are not "yet" reflected in the report.
Adds another challenge to selling a high grade SCG vintage item when their own report does not show it in the population report. Even more discouraging when item held is two full numerical grades higher than next highest graded item on report. Afew interested parties suggested it was a fake since not reflected in report. What I am to say? Tell them what SGC told me? Which was that SGC working on it but it will not be a quick/speedy fix. So the SGC population report is like reading last years news. Sill informative (up to a point) but limited usefulness.

theshowandme · #6 12-12-2023, 07:19 AM

just tried looking at a set, got hit with the crosswalk captcha... then looked up and saw I was logged in.

It is the little things!

Republicaninmass · #7 12-12-2023, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ricktmd

I prefer not to say what side of the fence I am on as working with SGC is sure a lot easier and more reasonable than trying to work with PSA.

Someone answers the phone at SGc? Must be new technology

4815162342 · #8 07-31-2024, 01:39 PM

I am bumping this thread to mention that I attempted to bring a stack of SGC labels to the SGC booth at the National last week, and I was told that they do not update their pop reports.

Johnny630 · #9 07-31-2024, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

I am bumping this thread to mention that I attempted to bring a stack of SGC labels to the SGC booth at the National last week, and I was told that they do not update their pop reports.

What baffles me is when you send a card in for re-holder they give you a whole new slab/serial number....idk

Snowman · #10 07-31-2024, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

I am bumping this thread to mention that I attempted to bring a stack of SGC labels to the SGC booth at the National last week, and I was told that they do not update their pop reports.

Why would they? That's just creating work with zero benefit, unless it's a card with a pop count of 10 or something.

BobbyStrawberry · #11 07-31-2024, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

I am bumping this thread to mention that I attempted to bring a stack of SGC labels to the SGC booth at the National last week, and I was told that they do not update their pop reports.

That must be new. As recently as a year ago, I would see them getting updated with cards I had slabbed with them.

That is VERY disappointing if true.

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