Hey, pennant guys

ooo-ribay · #1 12-28-2023, 01:46 PM

VERY happy to add this to my collection! Bocca of course saw it, too, and he was gracious enough to let me go for it. It was a long seven days waiting for the auction to end. I increased my max bid four times! It was another long nine days waiting for it to arrive, because the USPS decided to send it on a U.S. tour.

When I first saw this pennant, I thought "oh, someone replaced the 1962 team picture with a Falstaff postcard." Then, it dawned on me that this pennant is always black. Bocca searched Worthpoint and could not find another orange example. I know of another Giants collector who saw the pennant, but the Falstaff pic is what he saw and the color variation didn't "compute." I am actually glad JR just lists stuff as he finds it and doesn't bother with an iron, etc. Is this cloth (see blurry picture of the frayed thread)? Another odd thing is how the spine thread is black on the front and tan on the back. Even after picking off the remnants of the old spine, I'm not sure how this stitching is done. The replaced spine is temporary...it's in two pieces, as I didn't have enough black felt on hand. Anyway, happy to have this...it's been awhile since I've found a new Giants pennant.

Hankphenom · #2 12-28-2023, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

When I first saw this pennant, I thought "oh, someone replaced the 1962 team picture with a Falstaff postcard." Then, it dawned on me that this pennant is always black. Bocca searched Worthpoint and could not find another orange example. I know of another Giants collector who saw the pennant, but the Falstaff pic is what he saw and the color variation didn't "compute." Anyway, happy to have this...it's been awhile since I've found a new Giants pennant.

Sweet variation! Why did you take the picture out?

ooo-ribay · #3 12-28-2023, 05:55 PM

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Sweet variation! Why did you take the picture out?

The picture was completely wrong and I couldn�t very well iron it with the picture still attached. A buddy has the �right� picture, which he is going to give me.

brad15 · #4 12-28-2023, 06:44 PM

Thank you guys for the comments on my Cardinal pennant. That pennant price guide came out 10 years ago and I even thought then that it was valued pretty low compared to some others in the book. I guess they always look better in hand and Mike Egner only saw pictures. With that I was still hoping to see some more vintage Cardinal pennants. Does any one have more to post? Thanks!

thetahat · #5 12-28-2023, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brad15

Thank you guys for the comments on my Cardinal pennant. That pennant price guide came out 10 years ago and I even thought then that it was valued pretty low compared to some others in the book. I guess they always look better in hand and Mike Egner only saw pictures. With that I was still hoping to see some more vintage Cardinal pennants. Does any one have more to post? Thanks!

Brad, here are my best Cardinals pennants. One very subtle difference between the two �46 WS pennants.

brad15 · #6 12-28-2023, 08:04 PM

Nice Cardinal pennants! I see the #9 on one of the '46 pennants. My favorite there is the 1939. Thanks!

ooo-ribay · #7 12-28-2023, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

Brad, here are my best Cardinals pennants. One very subtle difference between the two �46 WS pennants.

Took me a while to find the �subtle difference,� but I found it.

Thanks for posting!

Hankphenom · #8 12-28-2023, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The picture was completely wrong and I couldn�t very well iron it with the picture still attached. A buddy has the �right� picture, which he is going to give me.

OK. So the original was the B&W as on the black pennant, and it was damaged or gone so the owner made the color one fit? He did a pretty good job! Was that replacement noted in the offering?

ooo-ribay · #9 12-28-2023, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

OK. So the original was the B&W as on the black pennant, and it was damaged or gone so the owner made the color one fit? He did a pretty good job! Was that replacement noted in the offering?

Yes, yes and no.

I would beg to differ on the �pretty good job� on the replacement. Yes, it (kind of) fit but did you see the �vintage� masking tape on the back side?

bocca001 · #10 12-28-2023, 10:15 PM

I think Rob needs to put the 1962 picture in the orange pennant. It seems like that is what should be there. It does seem like the Falstaff pic is not right. 1962 is the only known team photo pennant for the Giants.

On the black 1962 team pennants, the image is glued to the felt. For this orange pennant, the felt is cut. Rob, does that cut look professional to you? Or more like a hack job?

Really kind of a mystery. At last year's National, football Rob picked up a copy of the black pennant for me that had no picture. It did have the WC mark, like this new orange pennant. It is also not all that hard to find an original copy (i.e., correct size) of the 1962 team photo that goes on the pennant. I have one (that I'm going to someday glue onto the blank pennant) and I've seen others for sale. I wonder if the WC concessionaire assembled the pennants on site (as opposed to them coming assembled from Trench) and never got around to assembling everything, probably because of a decrease in demand after the 1962 World Series.

But that doesn't explain why nobody has ever seen an orange copy before. Hard to believe there can be only one.

And nice Cardinals pennants everyone.

ooo-ribay · #11 12-29-2023, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

I think Rob needs to put the 1962 picture in the orange pennant. It seems like that is what should be there. It does seem like the Falstaff pic is not right. 1962 is the only known team photo pennant for the Giants.

On the black 1962 team pennants, the image is glued to the felt. For this orange pennant, the felt is cut. Rob, does that cut look professional to you? Or more like a hack job?

Really kind of a mystery. At last year's National, football Rob picked up a copy of the black pennant for me that had no picture. It did have the WC mark, like this new orange pennant. It is also not all that hard to find an original copy (i.e., correct size) of the 1962 team photo that goes on the pennant. I have one (that I'm going to someday glue onto the blank pennant) and I've seen others for sale. I wonder if the WC concessionaire assembled the pennants on site (as opposed to them coming assembled from Trench) and never got around to assembling everything, probably because of a decrease in demand after the 1962 World Series.

The opening/no opening hadn�t even occurred to me. Sure enough, the team photo on my black pennant is glued to the front with no cutout. The cutout on the orange pennant looks completely �professional� - sharp edges and no overcut at the corners. I know there are other team photo pennants with the cutout. Maybe Domer has some insight into this variation in the manufacturing process?

I guess I�m going to need a Giants team photo with a bit of a border if I�m going to glue it from the back�

Fballguy · #12 12-30-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Yes, yes and no.

I would beg to differ on the �pretty good job� on the replacement. Yes, it (kind of) fit but did you see the �vintage� masking tape on the back side?

Gorilla tape works great for re-attaching the photos in photo pennants and looks more authentic than masking tape.

It's a little hard to manipulate and align perfectly by yourself (when it sticks, it sticks) but that's why God invented wives.

ooo-ribay · #13 12-30-2023, 11:25 AM

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Gorilla tape works great for re-attaching the photos in photo pennants and looks more authentic than masking tape.

It's a little hard to manipulate and align perfectly by yourself (when it sticks, it sticks) but that's why God invented wives.

I don't know if you're kidding or not. As you say, Gorilla Tape is some very sticky stuff. I would have liked to have the 6" wide clear tape Greg spoke of but, even if I could find some, I wasn't about to buy a whole roll.

As it was, I found my image on the inter webs...saved the image and pasted it into a doc...it was printing kind of blueish until a light bulb went off and I printed it in straight b&w. I then wasted a lot of ink trying to size it perfectly. At one point, I needed to shrink it and I enlarged it. I finally got it right. I left a border and spray glued it (another tedious process) from the back. I'm done.

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