Hey, pennant guys

[Buffalo Mike]

Thank you, Rob, Greg, and Mark. I’ve been exchanging emails with Greg and will be preparing the formal dispute on behalf of my friend. I did email the seller and stated our position, citing your specific posts in the thread. He replied last night and was cordial, saying that he read the posts, but he still believes the pennant is authentic and a possible “one of a kind” from 1918.

I will post updates re the status of the dispute, and thank you all again for your time, information, and support.

(Buffalo) Mike in San Diego

[bocca001]

A few weeks ago, someone listed a bunch of cloth Trench football and baseball pennants on ebay that had clearly been in storage for many years. No duplicates, but many different teams. Only a few were rare in terms how often they come for sale, but I think they were rare in terms of quality. I ended up winning the Giants and 49ers. If you ever wondered what these looked like brand new (minus a need for some ironing), here you go.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^^ Beauties! 👍

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Mike

Thank you, Rob, Greg, and Mark. I’ve been exchanging emails with Greg and will be preparing the formal dispute on behalf of my friend. I did email the seller and stated our position, citing your specific posts in the thread. He replied last night and was cordial, saying that he read the posts, but he still believes the pennant is authentic and a possible “one of a kind” from 1918.

I will post updates re the status of the dispute, and thank you all again for your time, information, and support.

(Buffalo) Mike in San Diego

This person is trying to save the extreme profit they made or the poor decision they made to buy this from someone else. The “1918” pennant in question has all the telltale signs of a repro that others have mentioned. I have personally owned and sold at least 4 different of these original pennants. Your 1918 repro has none of the definition of the originals. Look at the font and the thickness and detail of the “ribbon” around the circle of text. In the genuine pennants they have more detail and you can see some very small “lines” in the screen printing meant to make the edge appear to be waiving in the wind. The “1918” pennant is 100% fake and I’m sorry if the seller is left holding the bag. They should have done better research. Dispute the sale and contact your credit card company if they used one. It’s 100% fake.

[Domer05]

Back to this "one of a kind" 1918 Red Sox pennant....

I happen to know that the genuine version of this flag (sans "1918," that is) was manufactured by Annin & Co. of NY (a.k.a., A & Co. of NY). To my knowledge, it was the only professional baseball pennant ever made by the legendary pennant maker in the 20th century.

I know this because I own the 1923 edition of Annin's sales catalogue. It features a page identical to the one below....

Note that the Red Sox pennant illustrated appears exactly the same as the others previously identified on this thread as genuine.

It looks nothing like the M&N repro; and it looks nothing like this "1918" job some unscrupulous pennant maker tried to pass off as being 100+ years old. If the design had been updated between 1916 and 1918, you would expect Annin to showcase the more contemporary variant by 1923, when this catalogue was published.

Case closed: it's fake.

[Vintagedeputy]

Lost in the mail for a month, this beautiful Yankees pennant finally arrived. I know it’s not a “mini”, so what do we call this size? I’m thinking that it’s probably a 1940’s or 1950’s era pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Lost in the mail for a month, this beautiful Yankees pennant finally arrived. I know it’s not a “mini”, so what do we call this size? I’m thinking that it’s probably a 1940’s or 1950’s era pennant.

Basically 11” without tassels….I’d call it a mini. I think your guess of an era is probably correct. Perhaps a bit later…

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Basically 11” without tassels….I’d call it a mini. I think your guess of an era is probably correct. Perhaps a bit later…

Thanks, Rob. It’s a cool little piece.

[UKCardGuy]

Another mini pennant question....

I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about this pennant? I think it's from 1936 World Series (Giants vs Yankees). It's about 9 inches + tassels.

I don't think it's part of the BF2/BF3 series.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Back to this "one of a kind" 1918 Red Sox pennant....

I happen to know that the genuine version of this flag (sans "1918," that is) was manufactured by Annin & Co. of NY (a.k.a., A & Co. of NY). To my knowledge, it was the only professional baseball pennant ever made by the legendary pennant maker in the 20th century.

I know this because I own the 1923 edition of Annin's sales catalogue. It features a page identical to the one below....

Note that the Red Sox pennant illustrated appears exactly the same as the others previously identified on this thread as genuine.

It looks nothing like the M&N repro; and it looks nothing like this "1918" job some unscrupulous pennant maker tried to pass off as being 100+ years old. If the design had been updated between 1916 and 1918, you would expect Annin to showcase the more contemporary variant by 1923, when this catalogue was published.

Case closed: it's fake.

Very conclusive Kyle.

With regards this statement "it was the only professional baseball pennant ever made by the legendary pennant maker in the 20th century."

I recall that this baseball HOF pennant from 1939 was made by Annin too???

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Very conclusive Kyle.

With regards this statement "it was the only professional baseball pennant ever made by the legendary pennant maker in the 20th century."

I recall that this baseball HOF pennant from 1939 was made by Annin too???

You're absolutely correct. Annin made that particular Cooperstown pennant--has this label on the reverse.

But other than that Sox pennant, I know of no other pennant by them for a specific MLB team.

[perezfan]

Awesome pickups Erik! Some super rare ones.... congrats!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Awesome pickups Erik! Some super rare ones.... congrats!

I agree. A very cool set of pennants. I love that 61 Reds.

Is the 1944 Orioles made by Epstein? It looks very similar to one by Epstein with the sliding baserunner

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Mike

Thank you, Rob, Greg, and Mark. I’ve been exchanging emails with Greg and will be preparing the formal dispute on behalf of my friend. I did email the seller and stated our position, citing your specific posts in the thread. He replied last night and was cordial, saying that he read the posts, but he still believes the pennant is authentic and a possible “one of a kind” from 1918.

I will post updates re the status of the dispute, and thank you all again for your time, information, and support.

(Buffalo) Mike in San Diego

I wonder if this ever got resolved?

[ooo-ribay]

Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete!

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete!

Nice one! I am such a fan of all the old New York teams so it’s great to see something like that.

[bocca001]

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

Is that yours, Marc? It looks like one of your photo presentations. Gotta be pretty, pretty rare.

[bocca001]

Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

That’s really cool Marc. Cool color combination and cloth, too!