Every slabbed card has a story, don't it?

tjisonline · #1 02-03-2024, 02:32 PM

Hello,

For this post, please remember that when I refer to cleaning or soaking it is with 100% distilled water only.

1) I agree. The pinhole is there yet subtle enough where it doesn’t take away from the card. It does go through the back, unfortunately. It’s like looking through a peak / peep hole. Ever watched the 1982 movie, Porky’s? ��.

2a & b) I don’t think anyone with common sense will resubmit this card to a grader w/ a hole in it. It makes zero sense.

Even if you clean the card, it’s still gonna have the hole. It’s not like soaking the card is gonna make the cardboard grow to fill the hole. Additionally, it could be greater as authentic instead of a1 / poor.

Soaking does not always clean a card. it was primarily used 5+ decades ago to remove cards that were taped or glued in scrapbooks. Additionally, some cards cannot be soaked and could be destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Fred

Wow, I had to go back to post 178 to refresh.

1) I didn't see the pin hole in the card, however, my thought was that the card looks pretty nice beyond the paste at the corners.

2a) If it were cleaned, it could be resubmitted and there's the possibility the TPG misses that "very tiny" pin hole. I wouldn't promote the resubmission in the attempt to get it by the TPG, but I'm sure others might see the potential benefit.

2b) I suppose the next question would bring up debate. If it were soaked and result in no damage to the card, then an assumption is that card would look awesome (front is centered fairly well). Would anybody soak it just to have a nicer looking card (assuming no damage to the card occurs).

3) For arguements sake (or to alleviate most reasons for a debate), lets say the card was soaked only in water.

etsmith · #2 02-03-2024, 07:20 PM

I don't see a problem with using distilled water, but using anything else is probably not a good idea in the long term.

4815162342 · #3 02-03-2024, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tjisonline

� Even if you clean the card, it�s still gonna have the hole. It�s not like soaking the card is gonna make the cardboard grow to fill the hole. �

Vintage Card Restoration: Dealing with pinholes on vintage sports cards
https://youtu.be/mxTWkdLyfws?si=v8o3-ONtWRk278Jb

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campyfan39 · #4 02-03-2024, 08:45 PM

incredible. would have not ever imagined

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

Vintage Card Restoration: Dealing with pinholes on vintage sports cards
https://youtu.be/mxTWkdLyfws?si=v8o3-ONtWRk278Jb

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4815162342 · #5 02-03-2024, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by campyfan39

incredible. would have not ever imagined

Please note I didn�t post that video as something positive.

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campyfan39 · #6 02-03-2024, 09:56 PM

Please note that my reaction wasn't intimating I agreed with it per se. I just think the stuff he can do are things that have not even crossed my mind.

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Please note I didn�t post that video as something positive.

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EddieP · #7 02-04-2024, 04:57 AM

Let�s clarify one thing. Distilled water may not chemically ALTER the DNA of a card, but it sure as hell will structurally alter the card through osmosis and osmotic cell lysis. Soaking a card in water and then pressing it between books is a petri dish for yeast, bacteria and mold which can damage a card.

Snowman · #8 02-04-2024, 07:08 PM

Sometimes you can improve a pinhole by using a straw when the card is wet from soaking. The pinhole is still there obviously, but visually it can look a lot better because you suck the broken paper fibers back to where they belong and it fills in the gap.

Snowman · #9 02-04-2024, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EddieP

Let�s clarify one thing. Distilled water may not chemically ALTER the DNA of a card, but it sure as hell will structurally alter the card through osmosis and osmotic cell lysis. Soaking a card in water and then pressing it between books is a petri dish for yeast, bacteria and mold which can damage a card.

That's why you dry them out. Nobody is trapping them in a moist environment. You change the paper towels or napkins out when they get wet. Typically every couple hours at first.

Fred · #10 02-03-2024, 09:08 PM

I wonder what would happen if the card was soaked rather than going through the process completed to lessen the size of the pin hole. I wonder if a grader would actually see the hole or if the quick glance would result in a determination it was just an ink imperfection.

You have to admit that for the effort put forth, the results of the "pinhole relief" are impressive. No extra material added. Not sure what's in the solution used, but I'm guessing it probably doesn't have much in the way of chemicals else there'd be possible ink discoloration issues.

I probably wouldn't purchase any cards from Kurt because in the back of your mind you'd be wondering, what is it that I'm missing. In no way am I implying he'd try and pass something off without disclosure. I'm guessing he'd be more than happy to disclose all work done to one of his cardboard patients.

Because I'm posting the before/after pics doesn't imply I'm a fan of card repair (especially trimming). It's an interesting topic and deserves discussion.

K-C_Pinhole repair.jpg

Leon · #11 02-06-2024, 12:11 PM

That's a significant decrease in the size of that pinhole.

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Originally Posted by Fred

I wonder what would happen if the card was soaked rather than going through the process completed to lessen the size of the pin hole. I wonder if a grader would actually see the hole or if the quick glance would result in a determination it was just an ink imperfection.

You have to admit that for the effort put forth, the results of the "pinhole relief" are impressive. No extra material added. Not sure what's in the solution used, but I'm guessing it probably doesn't have much in the way of chemicals else there'd be possible ink discoloration issues.

I probably wouldn't purchase any cards from Kurt because in the back of your mind you'd be wondering, what is it that I'm missing. In no way am I implying he'd try and pass something off without disclosure. I'm guessing he'd be more than happy to disclose all work done to one of his cardboard patients.

Because I'm posting the before/after pics doesn't imply I'm a fan of card repair (especially trimming). It's an interesting topic and deserves discussion.

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