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How did this Paige RC end up in this holder?
Has anyone else seen this card yet? This Satchel Paige RC on eBay is absolutely bonkers! There are multiple large creases on it (I count at least 4), the corners are super rounded, the back is covered in wax, and the edges look like they were cut with a pocket knife. How on earth did this make its way into an SGC 5 holder?
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It was probably reslabbed from an older holder. Gift grade back in the day.
Anyone know why SGC, when it reslabs a card, gives it a different cert number. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Last edited by parkplace33; 02-06-2024 at 12:14 PM. |
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I have an extraordinarily hard time believing that's not sheet cut (and poorly).
It also peaks my curiosity on the stain as I think it's remnant from a printer's dumpster and am intrigued as to what that is. Maybe picked up a wax stain in storage all those years sitting on an old wrapper or a bad storage method?
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They change the cert number because they changed how they assign certs and how many digits those certs have.
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It's actually part of a new program. They grade the card on its potential grade after some work to clean/improve it has happened. Sometimes they forget to add the (PG) Potential Grade qualifier. Just a clerical error, nothing to see here.
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How did this Paige RC end up in this holder?
I don't claim to be that smart, but I do believe a SGC worker placed the card between the two plastic sides of the holder before it was taken to the encapsulating machine at the SGC facility. Brian (this is not my grandparent's graded 5 Paige card, that's for sure) |
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Just spitballing here...
I wonder if this is a case of the ole' switcheroo. Hard to know for sure, but maybe another card from the same order was graded 5, and this one was graded 2, but when they put them into the slabs, they mixed them up. Had this happen a few months ago with PSA, where the PSA 3 card ended up in the PSA 1 slab, and vice-versa.
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Now that was funny!
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BTW, I believe it is "pique your interest". Although it is probably a mute point. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk |
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Can this possibly be a non legit holder ? Frosted and swapped out flip something is wrong SGC wouldn’t grade this a 5 call Foreman
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This is one of the most, if not the most, baffling over grades I've ever seen. It just doesn't make sense at all to me. There's just no way any grader misses the flaws on this card. And for a card this iconic and rare to get that treatment is just wild. I get how this stuff happens on lower end cards, but a 48 Leaf Paige RC? Yikes! The creases aren't even the worst part. That cut is the most obvious hack job I've ever seen, shy of someone just completely cutting the entire borders off a card. It's definitely not sheet cut.
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Maybe the scan is just hitting the perfectly? I do buy/sell a fair share of cards and have been noticing an increase of cards appear to be "pressed" like a comic. The creases that are pressed out are still visible, but you really, really have to look closely and get it under the right light to catch it -- maybe that's what's happening here? Grader sees the card in hand and it appears clean, but then when it is scanned the issues are highlighted as the "right light" hit it
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Could that be a possibility ? |
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...hlight=Ireland Last edited by Pat R; 02-06-2024 at 05:55 PM. |
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I think they either printed the wrong label by accident, or someone on the inside's bank account just got bigger.
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If you knew show subbed it, I'll bet you'd understand the grade.
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Bottom line - does anybody think that someone will pay the $$$ that go along with the same card correctly graded? Or is it believed that people will actually draw that line in the sand and this time say - NO WAY.
I see it and I see at most a "2" but believe if it ended up in an AUTH holder, I could easily understand why. Do TPGs take pictures or scan cards for cards like this that have a certain $$ threshold? If so, it'd be interesting to see that picture from SGC. How many graders review a card? I can't believe two people could come up with the same conclusion on that grade. If SGC wanted, could they pull the cert and cancel it without the owners consent? What happens when a circumstance like that comes up?
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Now if it was in a PSA holder…
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Give me some Kurt's and a tortillon, and I'll have those edges plumb in no time.
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I'm not sure what SGC's policy is for scanning cards. My understanding is that PSA scans just about everything (maybe even everything) these days. There was a window of time when PSA only scanned cards that were submitted above a certain service level, but if I remember correctly, they've lowered that standard to start scanning everything.
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As for bat ears, my thought is that would be pretending a more advanced attempt to deceived when these were never meant too. I collect 1948 Bowman Basketball grayback errors, and early Bowman errors in general. These are all dumpster scrap and in lore from locals near the printer would be handed out from the back door to neighborhood kids. Uncut Bowman is, in my mind, some of the most common scrap in vintage. while many sheets survived, the majority were trimmed with scissors by kids and absolutely look it. Many of them have been retrimmed to clean it up a bit but finding a hack job, especially with the 48 basketball is commonplace. I am not saying that a poor trim is not a possibility. The card exhibits some signs of kid cuts with the width of the card at the top and that the trim does absolutely nothing to have improved the card. Why trim to make it worse, or are you trimming to make it an individual card?. I agree the wax causes doubt in my mind and why I pointed it as the confusing factor. I am not sure if Leaf was printed in the same facility, but I have seen a good quantity of scrap as well for that series. There have been several uncut 48 leaf boxing and baseball sheets that have popped up that the kids scissors didn't get to. It's not a big whoop, I just posted my thoughts...people can take or leave it, lol.
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Not sure who owns this card, but if the comments above trashing every aspect of the card make you so sad you are about to throw it away, please let me know where you live. I would happily dig through the trash for it and add it to my sad collection. I can't speak to the grade, but just looking at the card, it looks good enough for me to enjoy it.
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the card is currently up for sale. i would also take this card in a heart beat but the seller is asking $95,599.00 or Best Offer.
while believe in capitalism, something seems off w/ the card in that sgc 5 holder. plus for nearly $100k asking, one would expect far better pics in the listing. again, something seems off. Quote:
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Right, but those number grades were at least close to what their condition would have otherwise been, had they not been altered. I think that's what I mean here when I say the most baffling overgrade I've seen. It should have been caught as trimmed, but setting that aside, this card is a 2 at most. It's just wild to see it sitting in a 5 holder.
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How about this grade?: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=169704
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and that is why one 4 is not the same as another 4...and when I hear "what is the comp", I cringe...
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