If SGC Becomes No More What Happens To The Pop Report?

Lorewalker · #1 03-09-2024, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Obviously a big what if, but if Collectors Universe dissolves SGC you have to wonder what will happen to SGC's pop report data?

It's crucial data to determine the rarity of certain cards. Pop reports are not perfect, as there's a lot of cross-grading, but losing that SGC data would be a bummer. Hopefully, that info gets saved somewhere for the sake of the hobby.

IMO, if Collectors does away with the SGC brand, my hunch is that as time passes after that awful day, the SGC pop will become less and less important because more and more people will be crossing over their SGC cards. Not all will but most will have to when or if they go to sell.

Johnny630 · #2 03-09-2024, 02:45 PM

I do think SGC will be absorbed as one brand down the road that being PSA.

However I will say this….a nice looking card in a SGC Holder that isn’t a gift grade and is strong for its grade will always have strong resale value in the future. People don’t pay for the grade regardless of what the card looks like as they do with PSA cards. People will buy ugly PSA cards in a grade they “Need” for their Registry and Pop. Sgc has never been a real player with that customer base.

The Nasty Nati · #3 03-09-2024, 02:50 PM

Someone want to back up the pop report data for key pre-war sets like T206 before the data goes puff.

vthobby · #4 03-10-2024, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

I do think SGC will be absorbed as one brand down the road that being PSA.

However I will say this�.a nice looking card in a SGC Holder that isn�t a gift grade and is strong for its grade will always have strong resale value in the future. People don�t pay for the grade regardless of what the card looks like as they do with PSA cards. People will buy ugly PSA cards in a grade they �Need� for their Registry and Pop. Sgc has never been a real player with that customer base.

Well said!

Peter_Spaeth · #5 03-10-2024, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

I do think SGC will be absorbed as one brand down the road that being PSA.

However I will say this….a nice looking card in a SGC Holder that isn’t a gift grade and is strong for its grade will always have strong resale value in the future. People don’t pay for the grade regardless of what the card looks like as they do with PSA cards. People will buy ugly PSA cards in a grade they “Need” for their Registry and Pop. Sgc has never been a real player with that customer base.

I hope you are right on part two, I have no wish to go through the reholdering game. I could see it happening otherwise though, if eventually people look at an SGC card and figure the owner must have been unsuccessful at getting it reholdered and as a result it sells at a steep discount.

Republicaninmass · #6 03-10-2024, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ipeople look at an SGC card and figure the owner must have been unsuccessful at getting it reholdered and as a result it sells at a steep discount.

That's where we are currently. Mpst well centered cards in psa holders sell for more than their sgc counterpart.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 03-10-2024, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

That's where we are currently. Mpst well centered cards in psa holders sell for more than their sgc counterpart.

True I think, but the gap would be even bigger if people assumed SGC cards won't cross. I think the present gap is just (or mostly) a function of people (outside the "enclave" of course) preferring PSA.

Snowman · #8 03-10-2024, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

That's where we are currently. Mpst well centered cards in psa holders sell for more than their sgc counterpart.

And yet most well-centered cards in SGC holders also sell for more than their PSA counterpart. This is of course because centering matters more than which TPG graded it, at least for vintage cards.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 03-10-2024, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

And yet most well-centered cards in SGC holders also sell for more than their PSA counterpart. This is of course because centering matters more than which TPG graded it, at least for vintage cards.

As you are a data scientist, I doubt you have enough data to prove that proposition to any degree of statistical signifcance and are just going by necessarily limited personal anecdotal observation. I've seen many examples to the contrary so I can say with equal confidence that I think all things equal PSA outsells SGC. So there.

Not doubting you could find many examples but I bet plenty of counterexamples could be found too.

Snowman · #10 03-13-2024, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As you are a data scientist, I doubt you have enough data to prove that proposition to any degree of statistical signifcance and are just going by necessarily limited personal anecdotal observation. I've seen many examples to the contrary so I can say with equal confidence that I think all things equal PSA outsells SGC. So there.

Not doubting you could find many examples but I bet plenty of counterexamples could be found too.

Perhaps I should be more specific. With the exception of cards that make the short list as registry chase cards, the data does show that a dead-centered SGC card will outsell an off-centered PSA copy in the same grade nearly every time for HOFers and other cards with strong demand. You can certainly find exceptions to this rule, but in general, it's true. It probably doesn't apply to commons though, or to ultra high grade vintage cards as though are mostly registry bids. But if you take a 52 Topps Willie Mays SGC 5 that is perfectly centered and run it next to a PSA 5 with 80/20 centering in the same auction, not only will it outsell the PSA 5, it will often double it.

Lorewalker · #11 03-11-2024, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

And yet most well-centered cards in SGC holders also sell for more than their PSA counterpart. This is of course because centering matters more than which TPG graded it, at least for vintage cards.

This is not a true statement.

A very well centered SGC card has and can sell for more than its PSA counterpart if the PSA graded example is not as well centered. If the PSA counterpart is well centered, then it will outsell the SGC card as it does almost every time, anyway...at least with vintage.

To write that centering matters more than the who graded the card is simply not true and is entirely dismissing the unfortunate reality of the influence PSA's set registry has on the hobby.

Johnny630 · #12 03-11-2024, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

This is not a true statement.

A very well centered SGC card has and can sell for more than its PSA counterpart if the PSA graded example is not as well centered. If the PSA counterpart is well centered, then it will outsell the SGC card as it does almost every time, anyway...at least with vintage.

To write that centering matters more than the who graded the card is simply not true and is entirely dismissing the unfortunate reality of the influence PSA's set registry has on the hobby.

You Said the Major Key Point .........Influence of PSA's registry on the hobby.

Pop and Registry are Universal with PSA, never will have any meaning to a SGC graded card regardless of what it looks like.

However there have been and will continue to be Beautiful SGC Deserving of the Grade Cards that will at times outsell PSA cards.

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