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03-17-2024, 05:42 PM
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I went back and looked through some of the 'indeterminate' miscuts we have and was able to place just this one - Terry Fox is beneath the Cubs Rookies on at least one slit - the Cubs rookies is the only non-player card in the 1st column with Fox.
So, baby steps. 
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#2
03-17-2024, 06:16 PM
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Having some time to kill, I tried something I thought would be non-productive. We have a Dennis Bennett card showing a slight piece of the card to his left.
I decided to take a run through the 6th series so see if it was possible at all to narrow down the possible cards it could be. Turns out, the vertical and horizontal placement of the trademark line on the orange field cuts the 76 possibilities down to about 6 immediately, and then closer inspection, and comparison with an actual Bennett card for alignment, suggests a single candidate - Al Ferrara. Take a look and let me know if you think there is any other card you think it might be other than Ferrara. Last edited by deweyinthehall; 03-17-2024 at 06:17 PM.
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#3
03-17-2024, 06:30 PM
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O’Donoghue is inarguably a 4x card who has two different cards above him, that means at least one of the three 4x rows has two different rows above it and at least one of those rows is 3x because it has Jimenez. I looked at every miscut LE and RE scan we have but unfortunately I couldn’t find any with a different card than what is already known.
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#4
03-17-2024, 06:33 PM
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#5
03-20-2024, 03:33 AM
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The Bennett miscut with the trademark of the adjacent card near the edge of the pink border could be either 501, O'Donoghue, or 487, Ferrara. Both of those cards are 4x, and both have the trademark in the approximate correct location.
When I adjust the images using my crude abilities, it looks to me as if Ferrara is a better match, but I'm not ready to conclusively state that.
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#6
03-21-2024, 08:32 AM
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I ran across this miscut last night that I didn't know I had because I listed it as a 7 Series rather than a 6 Series, it shows #511 Giants Rookie Stars at the top of a Slit which I believe puts the card at the end of the 4x Aaron row. I am puzzled why this card and Camilo Carreon have lower than normal 4x quantities on eBay but as of now all of the evidence has them at the end of 4x rows.
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#7
03-21-2024, 04:23 PM
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Things change quickly, so to sum up, here are the columns, full and partial:
LE Aaron Nuxhall Fox Moeller Skinner Gonzalez Cubs Rookies RE: Hamilton 6th Checklist 7th Checklist Wood Giants Rookies Carreon Edwards Oliva Simmons Ellsworth Howard Roznovsky Kline Barber Buford Latman Azcue Gibbon Braves Rookies Coleman Radatz Rollins Yankees Rookies Bressoud Blefary Klippstein Bunker Lee Hannan Schofield Jimenez O'Dohoghue Richardson Rodgers Cannizzaro Belinsky Additionally, we have these side-by-sides: Jimenez/Phillies Team Klippstein/McAuliffe Green/Linz Bennett/Ferrara These cards are on the top of one slit: Aaron Lolich Wynn GOnzalez Giants Rookies We also have an Aaron on the bottom row Plus, about a couple dozen or more indeterminates that may prove useful as we get closer and start a process of elimination. Last edited by deweyinthehall; 03-21-2024 at 04:25 PM.
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#8
03-21-2024, 10:22 PM
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This is one of the tentative slits that Kevin and I came up with the LE (header) cards and the RE cards that are on the same row. The other slit has the Aaron row at the top but we need more information to complete it.
1. Gonzalez - Carreon 2. Nuxhall - S Hamilton 3. Fox - Checklist 6 4. Skinner - Wood 5. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars 6. Moeller - Checklist 7 7. Cubs Rookie Stars - Edwards 8. Gonzalez - Carreon 9. Nuxhall - S Hamilton 10. Fox - Checklist 6 11. Skinner - Wood 12. Aaron - Giants Rookie Stars
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#9
03-22-2024, 05:13 AM
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1966 series 6, semi-highs
We also have the possible vertical pairs of Wynn-Ferrara and Phillies team- Buchek, unless you feel it's too early to definitively call those.
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#10
02-07-2025, 08:24 AM
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1966 Series 6
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This should be in the Gonzalez row, which is also at the top of a slit
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#11
02-07-2025, 09:41 AM
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Aaron (4x) Gonzalez (4x) Wilhelm (4x) Lolich (hard to say) Giants Rookies (3x) Wynn (4x) Even assuming Lolich to be a 4x - how can the Giants Rookies be a 3x at the top in either the Gonzalez or Aaron rows? IF it is possible that Giants rookies is a 4x it could make the 7th series checklist a 3x.
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#12
02-07-2025, 11:22 AM
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1966 series 6
Using the pattern I mentioned before and this layout, (meaning Aaron and Gonzalez rows will be at top of each slit), I get Lolich in a top row and Wynn under Lee. Yes, sometimes the ebay counts don't always support 3x vs 4x exactly, but we've seen that discrepency before because of card popularity.
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#13
02-07-2025, 11:26 AM
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This series has kicked my butt, I need to take a break from it and start it all over. I cannot figure out which are the three 4x cards in the right edge column other than Hamilton, it keeps coming out as the two checklists. It may be true with Checklist 6 with R. Sox but there is no way Checklist 7 is a 4x because it was also printed on the 7th series sheets and it has very low quantities. I haven't seen proof of any row changes, which is very odd for a Topps 77 card series. The only time I have seen that was with the 1964 77 card series. I thought O'Donoghue had a row change above him but I now think that is a Jimenez card with a color shift.
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03-17-2024, 06:40 PM
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So fox is below Cubs rs and below nuxhall, correct?
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03-17-2024, 06:54 PM
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Yes - I believe that's what the miscuts show.
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03-17-2024, 06:55 PM
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#17
03-17-2024, 07:43 PM
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1966 series 6
Are you suggesting that Gonzalez is over Klippstein rather than Nuxhall? These miscuts appear to suggest that both the Cubs RS and Nuxhall are LE card, and Gonzalez is clearly under Cubs RS.
1966_478_482_TC_1.jpg 1966_482_wavy_LE.jpg 1966_483_LE.jpg
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#18
03-17-2024, 08:08 PM
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03-17-2024, 08:24 PM
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I haven't looked too deeply into it, but last year I did run pop counts for this series across eBay, Deans, COMC and PSA.
Looking at the numbers I came up with I wonder whether there isn't a third level of quantities - like in the 1967 7th series with something like 5x, 3x and 2x or whatever it was. I can't see any clear breaks which would suggest that it can be divided neatly into 3 4x's and 4 3x's. It seems like a steady consistent upward slope in counts from the obvious lowest (Moeller, Cubs Rookies etc. ) to the obvious highest (O'Donoghue, Hannan, Stigman etc.). I also saw a lot of incongruities between the numbers, particularly eBay and PSA. You've gone through exercises like this more than I have, so I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
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03-17-2024, 09:02 PM
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