"Improving" Cards: New poll

Lorewalker · #1 03-23-2024, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am confident there is no way, no matter how you frame it or them, you can elicit a meaningful answer from an outsider about the subject of alteration in one or a few questions.

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 03-23-2024, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

Lorewalker · #3 03-23-2024, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

That was then, this is now. You might have to become a professional gambler now and give up that law degree. Are you prepared?

carlsonjok · #4 03-23-2024, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the real world there are jury consulting firms who do focus groups, help structure mock trials, etc. to help lawyers gain insight into how a jury might react to a case. Who knew it was as simple as having a data scientist ask a couple of (undoubtedly unbiased) questions.

I don't really have a dog in this hunt but I am surprised that, as a lawyer, you took Snowman's word at face value and didn't recognize that he may have deployed a classic argument from authority. He may very well have experience creating and administering opinion polls to the public, but his LinkedIn profile indicates significant experience mainly working with complex data sets. I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 03-23-2024, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I don't really have a dog in this hunt but I am surprised that, as a lawyer, you took Snowman's word at face value and didn't recognize that he may have deployed a classic argument from authority. He may very well have experience creating and administering opinion polls to the public, but his LinkedIn profile indicates significant experience mainly working with complex data sets. I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

Who took his word at face value? I've done nothing but call BS on him.

Snowman · #6 03-24-2024, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I am not a data scientist, but I know enough statistics to know they are very different disciplines.

This is of course, nonsense. They are nearly one and the same discipline. Every graduate-level data science program in the country requires numerous statistics courses. And many statistics programs offer two tracks - biostatistics or data science. The only difference is that a data scientist is a statistician with coding skills.

carlsonjok · #7 03-24-2024, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

This is of course, nonsense. They are nearly one and the same discipline. Every graduate-level data science program in the country requires numerous statistics courses. And many statistics programs offer two tracks - biostatistics or data science. The only difference is that a data scientist is a statistician with coding skills.

Nearly is doing a lot of work right there. Constructing a polling question is not the same as writing an SQL script and the resulting data set differs in size from a large database by several orders of magnitude. As has been pointed out upthread, your arguments here rest on repetition of your job title and not by laying out cogent and accessible arguments.

You might want to consider that, when faced with a group that universally disagrees with you, there are explanations other than that they obviously are unable to appreciate your brilliance.

But, this is getting pretty far afield from the intent of the thread and I have to pack for an early flight to attend a business conference. So, I will concede to you the point the one thing you seem to covet: the last word.

Snowman · #8 03-24-2024, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Nearly is doing a lot of work right there. Constructing a polling question is not the same as writing an SQL script and the resulting data set differs in size from a large database by several orders of magnitude. As has been pointed out upthread, your arguments here rest on repetition of your job title and not by laying out cogent and accessible arguments.

You might want to consider that, when faced with a group that universally disagrees with you, there are explanations other than that they obviously are unable to appreciate your brilliance.

But, this is getting pretty far afield from the intent of the thread and I have to pack for an early flight to attend a business conference. So, I will concede to you the point the one thing you seem to covet: the last word.

Well, what can I say? You sure got me there. I was just kidding all along. I'm talking out my ass. I fold. Nice hand, sir.

Snowman · #9 03-24-2024, 04:19 PM

You guys are hilarious. Keep up the great work!

raulus · #10 03-23-2024, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Think about how fast trials would go if they were all conducted by snowman. I am all in favor of this if it meant I would no longer be required to participate in jury duty.

There�s also this prediction that has yet to come to fruition.

Snowman · #11 03-23-2024, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

There�s also this prediction that has yet to come to fruition.

ChatGPT did pass the bar exam though...

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