Updated: First Crap Interaction with the New SGC - Net54baseball.com Forums
  NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
 Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
 Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
 Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions
Reload this Page Updated: First Crap Interaction with the New SGC
Register NEW Chat! Who's Chatting FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:04 PM
markf31 markf31 is offline
Mark Fox
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 886
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardPadre View Post
You are not close. My card has all the other borders cut off as well, in addition to ink stain and more creasing. BUT, I was willing to pay a $3100 valuation at the $85 fee...and they still demanded $250. So I have no idea what your point is.
My point was pretty evident. Their evaluation is NOT that far off given comparable recent sales of Authentic/Altered sales. Only a single Authentic/Altered graded PSA has sold for under $3,500 in Ebay's recent history. You can complain about your border all you want, but their use of recent sales supports their evaluation.
Last edited by markf31; 03-26-2024 at 03:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:12 PM
CardPadre's Avatar
CardPadre CardPadre is offline
Will.i.@m $t@dy
Member
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: San Diego/Albuquerque
Posts: 753
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by markf31 View Post
My point was pretty evident. Their evaluation is NOT that far off given comparable recent sales of Authentic/Altered sales. Only a single Authentic/Altered graded PSA has sold for under $3,500 in Ebay's recent history. You can complain about your border all you want, but they're use of recent sales supports their evaluation.

That’s not even true. I’ve found 2 here and these cards are significantly different/better than what I submitted. And eBay isn’t everything in comps, could find more similar comps elsewhere if I had to.

__________________
.

Infuriating entitled old men since 2022...the eBay Authenticity Guarantee.

#itouchmycards
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:17 PM
JollyElm's Avatar
JollyElm JollyElm is offline
D@rrΣn Hu.ghΣs
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Cardboard Land
Posts: 8,314
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardPadre View Post
That’s not even true. I’ve found 2 here and these cards are significantly different/better than what I submitted. And eBay isn’t everything in comps, could find more similar comps elsewhere if I had to.

Dude, take a deep breath. You asked for input and Mark is giving you some points to consider. Why are you lashing out at him???
__________________
All the cool kids love my YouTube Channel:
Elm's Adventures in Cardboard Land
https://www.youtube.com/@TheJollyElm

Looking to trade? Here's my bucket:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152396...57685904801706

“I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks during batting practice.”
Casey Stengel

Spelling "Yastrzemski" correctly without needing to look it up since the 1980s.

Overpaying yesterday is simply underpaying tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:20 PM
Johnny630 Johnny630 is offline
Johnny MaZilli
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,446
Default
One company now so I guess they can quote Psa comps cause Collectors Owns. That sucks I’m sorry man. You’re never gonna get Close to $3500 for that card it has zero borders, again I’m sorry man, good luck.
Last edited by Johnny630; 03-26-2024 at 03:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:28 PM
CardPadre's Avatar
CardPadre CardPadre is offline
Will.i.@m $t@dy
Member
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: San Diego/Albuquerque
Posts: 753
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by JollyElm View Post
Dude, take a deep breath. You asked for input and Mark is giving you some points to consider. Why are you lashing out at him???
Because, to be fair, Mark was implying they were just about within reason to demand the $250 fee, by him giving me a comp that was well below that threshold and then acting like that was a one-off, lone example anyway.
__________________
.

Infuriating entitled old men since 2022...the eBay Authenticity Guarantee.

#itouchmycards
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:22 PM
brianp-beme's Avatar
brianp-beme brianp-beme is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8,788
Default
There is a big difference in eye appeal between the two. The fact that a superior looking trimmed example with more of the borders intact sold for just over the pricing threshold (the huge pricing differences at grading card companies for the different levels of perceived value are just plain nonsensical) should not make this still neat card be considered also at this higher level.


brianp(arker)-beme
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:31 PM
CardPadre's Avatar
CardPadre CardPadre is offline
Will.i.@m $t@dy
Member
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: San Diego/Albuquerque
Posts: 753
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianp-beme View Post
There is a big difference in eye appeal between the two. The fact that a superior looking trimmed example with more of the borders intact sold for just over the pricing threshold (the huge pricing differences at grading card companies for the different levels of perceived value are just plain nonsensical) should not make this still neat card be considered also at this higher level.


brianp(arker)-beme
And the level is $3500 anyway for the $250 fee, not $3000, so it's not even close on those comps, much less a worse card.
__________________
.

Infuriating entitled old men since 2022...the eBay Authenticity Guarantee.

#itouchmycards
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:41 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 14,165
Default
That sort of haggling isn't new with SGC. At one National, I brought them a card I'd gotten for $500 and they insisted that it was worth enough to 4x my on-site grading costs. I haggled like hell with them and paid 2x instead but I wasn't happy about it. A big name iconic card is just the sort of item they'd squeeze.
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:56 PM
rhettyeakley's Avatar
rhettyeakley rhettyeakley is offline
Rhett Yeakley
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Posts: 2,704
Default
A raw/ungraded extremely trimmed card isn’t a comp with a graded psa 1 (numerical grade)

Pure money grab.

That being said, they own the field now so if you want to play the game you gotta play by their rules I suppose.
__________________
Check out my YouTube Videos highlighting VINTAGE CARDS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbE..._as=subscriber

ebay store: kryvintage-->https://www.ebay.com/sch/kryvintage/...p2047675.l2562
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-26-2024, 03:57 PM
ALBB's Avatar
ALBB ALBB is offline
Albert Bee
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,419
Default Ruth
Yea, that's painful,

I don't get it, a card like that.. with them asking for more money....are they paying a more higher salary grader to look at it ?

A card in that shape ,Id think its the same ( I dont know 10 minute evaluation) time frame to go over it

Ive never been a graded collector, but it does seem like a bit of a gouge job
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-26-2024, 04:27 PM
jayshum jayshum is offline
Jay Shumsky
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,133
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALBB View Post
Yea, that's painful,

I don't get it, a card like that.. with them asking for more money....are they paying a more higher salary grader to look at it ?

A card in that shape ,Id think its the same ( I dont know 10 minute evaluation) time frame to go over it

Ive never been a graded collector, but it does seem like a bit of a gouge job
I doubt it would take 10 minutes for a grader on that card.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-26-2024, 05:45 PM
raulus raulus is offline
Nicol0 Pin.oli
 
Join Date: May 2022
Posts: 3,027
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayshum View Post
I doubt it would take 10 minutes for a grader on that card.
About 10 seconds.

Just have to decide whether it's authentic or a 1.

Do they have MK and ST qualifiers over there too?

And maybe they need to put "evidence of trimming" on the slab too?

So maybe 30 seconds.
__________________
Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left:

1968 American Oil left side
1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel
Last edited by raulus; 03-26-2024 at 05:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-26-2024, 04:28 PM
BobbyVCP BobbyVCP is offline
Bobby Binder
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 554
Default
They might me going off VCP showing a Auth value of that card is $3509.71

https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...H?id=114149018
__________________
Bobby Binder
www.vcpcards.com
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-26-2024, 05:36 PM
Lorewalker's Avatar
Lorewalker Lorewalker is offline
Chase
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 1,831
Default
Glad it got resolved. SGC is entitled to their fair grading fees but this feels like a PSA influence to me to charge the $250. If they are using VCP and going after Avg sales prices, that can be misleading. As we all know there are killer looking Auths and then there are some that should be laid to rest. This one is in between and will never sell for 3K. I think the valuation of 2Kish is right.
__________________
( h @ $ e A n + l e y
Reply With Quote
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Mets - Same crap as the last crap Snapolit1 Watercooler Talk- ALL sports talk 159 04-03-2024 03:59 PM
Tale of a Scammer Interaction Rhotchkiss Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 6 11-15-2022 03:48 PM
How much more crap can there be? RichardSimon Autograph Forum- Primarily Sports 8 08-20-2016 09:03 PM
Vintage 1951 NY Giants flannel find – Player interaction and success story Tay1038 Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 10 04-04-2014 05:57 AM
More crap..... autograf Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 23 01-03-2010 02:54 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:19 PM.

RSS - Contact Us - Home - Archive - Top

ebay GSB