Oldest Baseball Card

oldjudge · #1 04-06-2024, 03:04 PM

A lot of assumptions but at the end of the day it�s a ticket. I�ll continue to believe that the first baseball card was issued in 1886 and I think, but an not positive, that the N167 series was the first issued that year.
Now why does it matter what you call the item? The Atlantics CdV or the Grand Match ticket are both great collectibles but to my way of thinking not baseball cards. Certainly, others can have different points of view.

G1911 · #2 04-06-2024, 03:43 PM

I have a very hard time seeing how a photograph pasted to a small cardboard backing like a cigarette card is a baseball card, but if the cardboard backing is a bit larger like a CDV then it is not a baseball card.

I would say that whatever the first baseball CDV was would thus be the first baseball card. I don't know of one before the Atlantics CDV but that is very unlikely to be the true first one made. It's probably one that doesn't have a surviving copy today.

Leon · #3 04-09-2024, 02:43 PM

+1.

And, "Oldest" is relative to what the definition of a baseball card is, so it's subjective. LOL...I am sure I got that screwed up somehow but ya'll know what I mean (I hope).

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Originally Posted by G1911

I have a very hard time seeing how a photograph pasted to a small cardboard backing like a cigarette card is a baseball card, but if the cardboard backing is a bit larger like a CDV then it is not a baseball card.

I would say that whatever the first baseball CDV was would thus be the first baseball card. I don't know of one before the Atlantics CDV but that is very unlikely to be the true first one made. It's probably one that doesn't have a surviving copy today.

packs · #4 04-09-2024, 02:53 PM

Baseball cards and photographs are two distinctly different things in my opinion. For something to be a photograph, it merely needs to be a photographic reproduction of somebody's image. For something to be a baseball card, it has to identify it's subject and be produced for the express purpose of advertising that baseball exists and this person is a baseball player.

The Atlantics CDV does not identify any of its players and I don't think it can be considered a baseball card. What does it have in common with traditional cards? I would say an image of a baseball player, but that is the same commonality that exists between any photo of a like subject. Photos of me in my Little League uniform are not baseball cards, for example.

The Atlantics CDV is more akin to a wallet photo you might give a friend or relative than a baseball card, in my opinion. I assume players aren’t identified because it wasn’t meant to be given to anyone not associated with someone in the photo.

I would consider the Peck Snyder trade card referenced as the first baseball card. Every player is identified and it was produced for the express purpose of advertising baseball's existence and that these are baseball players.

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