Ohtani interpreter

doug.goodman · #1 04-11-2024, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

So to circle all the way back... Is it normal or plausible for a guy who makes $300K to even be able to rack up $40M of debt with a bookie? I do not gamble so I do not know anything about it, hence why I called it a possibly stupid question, but I would think that if one is allowing such huge sums to being gambled that one would take some steps to determine the person could actually pay the bet. Otherwise, I can't see how they would stay in business.

I do not know the answer to your question, but I do know that most people who make $300k per year are not so closely connected to a person who makes tens of millions a year.

G1911 · #2 04-11-2024, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I do not know the answer to your question, but I do know that most people who make $300k per year are not so closely connected to a person who makes tens of millions a year.

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

G1911 · #3 04-11-2024, 08:21 PM

�So Bobby loses his uncle, JFK, his father, RFK. His cousin dies in a plane crash when he was running against Hillary Clinton � I�m not saying that was a conspiracy, but it�s kind of a weird coincidence. Bobby�s in danger, he�s putting himself on the line. Why? Because he f---ing believes in this country.�

This appears to be what was actually said on the podcast. I am still at a complete loss what this has to do with anything else in the thread lol.

jayshum · #4 04-11-2024, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

�So Bobby loses his uncle, JFK, his father, RFK. His cousin dies in a plane crash when he was running against Hillary Clinton � I�m not saying that was a conspiracy, but it�s kind of a weird coincidence. Bobby�s in danger, he�s putting himself on the line. Why? Because he f---ing believes in this country.�

This appears to be what was actually said on the podcast. I am still at a complete loss what this has to do with anything else in the thread lol.

Agreed.

jayshum · #5 04-11-2024, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

Like I think I said before, the interpreter apparently was betting in his own name, but the bookie knew he worked for Ohtani and had access to money to cover his losses. If you want to say that means the bets were in Ohtani's name, go ahead. I just don't see it that way.

doug.goodman · #6 04-11-2024, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, but the board objected to me saying it was done in Ohtani's name. I'm wondering how it can both be stated the bets were not in Ohtani's name and the interpreter was able to rack up $40M of debt on $325M of bets on a $300K salary.

If the bookie was assuming there was an Ohtani connection that does not mean there was.

I work for somebody you have heard of. If I need something from you, I might mention the name if I think it will help me get what I want. That doesn't mean my boss is involved on any level.

G1911 · #7 04-11-2024, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman

If the bookie was assuming there was an Ohtani connection that does not mean there was.

I work for somebody you have heard of. If I need something from you, I might mention the name if I think it will help me get what I want. That doesn't mean my boss is involved on any level.

You guys got to stop leaping. No one has said Ohtani is guilty or knew he was the guarantor. Issei, however, obviously used him as the guarantee to be able to even place the bets and many acts were done in his name. If you work for Ohtani and you're placing huge bets guaranteed by him, according to you, I'm eventually going to ask to speak to your boss to validate that's actually true. Many of us are close to people worth silly money, but there is no way I could get away with making deals in such vast sums under their name without anyone asking to validate with them. Issei may well have impersonated Ohtani to the bookies and the bank too, or perhaps nobody even asked or tried to validate. It is entirely possible that Ohtani's current story and/or the version approved by the board tonight is correct and he did nothing wrong in any way whatsoever. He has still not been accused of anything.

I am saying Issei must have used his name, and question what happened here and how Ohtani and his financial advisors, who I assume exist, never noticed multiple huge transactions for many millions of dollars. The story today is pretty wild. I don't know how anyone can not wonder what happened and how this worked nor why it is so very clearly controversial to ask that here.

jayshum · #8 04-11-2024, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

You guys got to stop leaping. No one has said Ohtani is guilty or knew he was the guarantor. Issei, however, obviously used him as the guarantee to be able to even place the bets and many acts were done in his name. If you work for Ohtani and you're placing huge bets guaranteed by him, according to you, I'm eventually going to ask to speak to your boss to validate that's actually true. Many of us are close to people worth silly money, but there is no way I could get away with making deals in such vast sums under their name without anyone asking to validate with them. Issei may well have impersonated Ohtani to the bookies and the bank too, or perhaps nobody even asked or tried to validate. It is entirely possible that Ohtani's current story and/or the version approved by the board tonight is correct and he did nothing wrong in any way whatsoever. He has still not been accused of anything.

I am saying Issei must have used his name, and question what happened here and how Ohtani and his financial advisors, who I assume exist, never noticed multiple huge transactions for many millions of dollars. The story today is pretty wild. I don't know how anyone can not wonder what happened and how this worked nor why it is so very clearly controversial to ask that here.

This article appears to have an explanation to the question of yours I put in bold:

https://sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohta...222700264.html

doug.goodman · #9 04-11-2024, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

This article appears to have an explanation to the question of yours I put in bold:

https://sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohta...222700264.html

Amazing.

doug.goodman · #10 04-11-2024, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

You guys got to stop leaping.

...(I) question what happened here and how Ohtani and his financial advisors, who I assume exist, never noticed multiple huge transactions for many millions of dollars.

I'm not leaping anywhere, I too question how the people who look after his accounts ALLOWED WHAT HAPPENED TO HAPPEN, I will not assume they didn't notice, I will assume that they DID notice, but for some reason they allowed it to continue.

The ONGOING story line involves a guy who doesn't speak the language, who has a guy who he trusts speak it for him, and then that guy doing some shady stuff, which is where we all started wondering about various details, and it started to get interesting.

Remember, this thread started with four words :

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Things could get interesting...

G1911 · #11 04-11-2024, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I'm not leaping anywhere, I too question how the people who look after his accounts ALLOWED WHAT HAPPENED TO HAPPEN, I will not assume they didn't notice, I will assume that they DID notice, but for some reason they allowed it to continue.

The ONGOING story line involves a guy who doesn't speak the language, who has a guy who he trusts speak it for him, and then that guy doing some shady stuff, which is where we all started wondering about various details, and it started to get interesting.

Remember, this thread started with four words :

I would not assume they did notice; there is a lot of incompetence in this world. The complaint today argues that they knew the account existed but did not have any access to it or ask any real questions about it and that his own agent never spoke to Ohtani without Issei even once - essentially a picture of Ohtani's circle doing and just going with whatever Issei said.

I do have a hard time buying the picture painted here of Ohtani as a childishly naive guy who doesn't know English and thus can't know anything that goes on and completely reliant on Issei. I posted a video of him speaking English just fine earlier in the thread. If I was him I would also use an interpreter to keep my statements perfect, but he definitely and demonstrably speaks the language on the rare occasion he wants to do so.

jayshum · #12 04-11-2024, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I would not assume they did notice; there is a lot of incompetence in this world. The complaint today argues that they knew the account existed but did not have any access to it or ask any real questions about it and that his own agent never spoke to Ohtani without Issei even once - essentially a picture of Ohtani's circle doing and just going with whatever Issei said.

I do have a hard time buying the picture painted here of Ohtani as a childishly naive guy who doesn't know English and thus can't know anything that goes on and completely reliant on Issei. I posted a video of him speaking English just fine earlier in the thread. If I was him I would also use an interpreter to keep my statements perfect, but he definitely and demonstrably speaks the language on the rare occasion he wants to do so.

I'm not sure that the issue was really a lack of understanding English as it was putting so much trust in someone to manage his finances. Unfortunately, he is far from the first person, athlete or otherwise, who was apparently ripped off by someone he trusted without doing any real oversight of his accounts on his own.

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