Pre War Era Players you don't see in HOF discussions

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I feel like I'm the only one constantly scratching my head that Will White isn't in.

[jingram058]

All the guys I feel are overlooked have been discussed here multiple times. They're never getting in. But that doesn't stop me or anyone else from treating them as if they actually are: Cecil Travis, Riggs Stephenson, Charlie Grimm and, yes, Bob Johnson.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Riggs played so many partial seasons; that was and will forever be his downfall.

[bbcard1]

Bucky Walters and Stan Hack are two I like.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Bucky Walters and Stan Hack are two I like.

+1 and +1. Love them both, and I collect them both. 41 Play Ball Walters and 35 Diamond Stars Hack. Two great cards.

[packs]

I’ve always thought Larry Doyle doesn’t get enough consideration. He was easily the best second baseman in the National League during his time.

Another guy who’s name isn’t thrown around a lot is Wally Berger. Never going to be a HOFer but what a beast before he got injured. Completely forgotten by time.

[maniac_73]

Many players from that Era says Hal Chase was the best 1st basement they had ever seen. Babe Ruth chose him over Gehrig (Im sure it had nothing to do with his jealousy of Gehrig). Prince Hal never gets spoken about due to his gambling dealings but from all accounts he was considered the best fielding 1st basemen ever

[GeoPoto]

Paul A. Hines. Outfielder with the Washington Nationals in 1886-1887. 2,133 hits and 57 home runs in 20 MLB seasons. 1884 World Series champion with the Providence Grays. 1878 Triple Crown winner. 2-time (1878 and 1879) batting champion. 1878 NL home run leader and NL RBI leader. Hines debuted with Washington in the National Association in 1872 and played for eight other MLB teams, including the Washington Blue Legs (1873), Washington Nationals (NL) (1886-1887), and, in his final season, the Washington Statesmen (1891). During the first five NL seasons, from 1876 through 1880, Hines had more base hits than any other player, and he retired third to Cap Anson and Jim O'Rourke with 1,884 career hits in the majors. His total of sixteen seasons as a major league team's primary center fielder was not surpassed until Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb in 1925.

Paul Hines was one of the top stars in the early days of baseball and his statistics indicate that he would be a reasonable Hall of Fame candidate. Hines broke in at age 17 in 1872, and thus played his first 8 years in the 1870s, winning the first Triple Crown in baseball history in 1878 and winning the batting championship again in 1879. He ranks well above the average Hall of Famer on the Gray Ink Test and a bit above average on the Black Ink Test. He played 20 years in the major leagues, with an OPS+ that exceeded 140 in eight different seasons.

Why, then, isn't he in the Hall of Fame? It's frequently been charged that the Hall of Fame has stiffed worthy players from the 1870s. The key reason may be that teams in the 1870s played fewer games, and thus Hines did not accumulate 3000 hits or some of the other counting stats that Hall of Fame voters tend to look at. As late as 1883, when Hines was in his 12th major league season, he appeared in only 97 games because his team played only 98. However, when he retired in 1891 with 7,062 lifetime at-bats in the majors, the all-time leader was Cap Anson with only a few more at 7,680.