1990 Bowman Art Sweepstakes

[Rich Klein]

I'm going to begin this by saying I was the one who actually priced these for the Beckett price guide/Alamanc back in the day. So, I wanted to see how good my instincts were on the price. After doing a little research and seeing what exampled you pulled I feel just as comfortable as saying the Yount is probably too cheap at that price

I will also state it's been about 20-25 years since I came up with those prices.

I do understand the little demand issue but there has to be a premium for HOFers as Yount as compared to Dwight Gooden (much as I loved watching him pitch for the Mets in 80s as I was living in the NY area) and Jerome (one year wonder) Walton.

So if the $20 pricing is accurate for those players and I don't see any reason why not since I priced those players at $25 back in the day. Then Yount as a HOFer has to be a higher price and I'll use a 2x from the common price so my instinct was a tad high but not super high.

Also looking at your examples I can see you are not considering the shipping cost of the item. It appers the cheapest shipping is about $6 for the item.

And yes, if I had one for sale, I would be $50-60 OBO on Ebay for that Yount item

Rich

[G1911]

If the Yount was a bargain at $50, it would not be sitting unsold.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by G1911

If the Yount was a bargain at $50, it would not be sitting unsold.

When did I say it was a bargain? I said that's the price IMHO it should be offered for. Now a bargain is like $15 DLVD

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by G1911

If the Yount was a bargain at $50, it would not be sitting unsold.

This isn't necessarily true. These could very well be off the radar for a number of player collectors like Yount (or Will Clark or Bo). Maybe those Yount collectors in the know have long added them to their collections. Some obscure items take a while to find their audience/buyer. Most of my oddball items sit for months at a time before selling full asking price.

Also, I find the attached paperwork very interesting and of some additional value in itself.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

This isn't necessarily true. These could very well be off the radar for a number of player collectors like Yount (or Will Clark or Bo). Maybe those Yount collectors in the know have long added them to their collections. Some obscure items take a while to find their audience/buyer. Most of my oddball items sit for months at a time before selling full asking price.

Also, I find the attached paperwork very interesting and of some additional value in itself.

If it was a bargain at $50, then one of these in the know collectors would look at this correctly listed item and buy it to make the profit themselves. That none of you are is strongly indicative. If $50 was too low, somebody here would have bought it already to flip. Go make the profit!

Actual sales tell us approximate value. Items that just sit and do not sell but are listed correctly in normal places are not really bargains. This really is not complicated.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by G1911

If it was a bargain at $50, then one of these in the know collectors would look at this correctly listed item and buy it to make the profit themselves. That none of you are is strongly indicative. If $50 was too low, somebody here would have bought it already to flip. Go make the profit!

Actual sales tell us approximate value. Items that just sit and do not sell but are listed correctly in normal places are not really bargains. This really is not complicated.

Dylan collects obscure things himself and understands that when you have an item with low supply and low demand then it really does become what the seller asks for an item. Not everything is snapped up as quickly as one would think.

As I am a bottom feeder going though dime,quarter, dollar boxes at shows I can assure you some amazing cards get passed over. And then when you have an obscure item then it's even harder for the right person to find the right item,

But one other thing I will also state; Robin Yount as a HOFer is definitely a 2x or more to Jerome Walton.

Rich

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Dylan collects obscure things himself and understands that when you have an item with low supply and low demand then it really does become what the seller asks for an item. Not everything is snapped up as quickly as one would think.

As I am a bottom feeder going though dime,quarter, dollar boxes at shows I can assure you some amazing cards get passed over. And then when you have an obscure item then it's even harder for the right person to find the right item,

But one other thing I will also state; Robin Yount as a HOFer is definitely a 2x or more to Jerome Walton.

Rich

You guys have shifted from "too cheap" to "eventually I might get this price". I agree with the new point that is not at all the original. A not common item might sit for 6 months+ before finding the right buyer. But that wasn't too cheap or a bargain. If it was too cheap, one of you guys would buy it and make the free money on the flip. Go grab it!

Actual sales data is a whole lot better than this appeal to... I don't even know. There's nothing being used to set this value you want besides that you want that to be the value.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by G1911

You guys have shifted from "too cheap" to "eventually I might get this price". I agree with the new point that is not at all the original. A not common item might sit for 6 months+ before finding the right buyer. But that wasn't too cheap or a bargain. If it was too cheap, one of you guys would buy it and make the free money on the flip. Go grab it!

Actual sales data is a whole lot better than this appeal to... I don't even know. There's nothing being used to set this value you want besides that you want that to be the value.

Let me clarify by saying that $50 "sounds cheap" considering the variables: Yount (HOF), semi-rare/unusual, even the art aspect. If I push that up, eventually I get someplace before $100 that "seems" a bit much. I really have no idea how cheap $50 is.

What I do know is that there very well may be a handful of Yount collectors who have no idea that this exists or any urgency to obtain it. But once they do, and they shop around and see just one example available online and its $50, they may not pause to purchase it. Just because some flipper (who also happens to be a Yount collector) hasn't attempted to do so does not negate this point.

You are correct too, in that a lack of sales data on this item means a lack of ability to properly say what it is "worth."

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Dylan collects obscure things himself and understands that when you have an item with low supply and low demand then it really does become what the seller asks for an item. Not everything is snapped up as quickly as one would think.

As I am a bottom feeder going though dime,quarter, dollar boxes at shows I can assure you some amazing cards get passed over. And then when you have an obscure item then it's even harder for the right person to find the right item,

But one other thing I will also state; Robin Yount as a HOFer is definitely a 2x or more to Jerome Walton.

Rich

I am with you and Dylan on this as I collect obscure things myself and also bottom feed. With the silly rare stuff very few care about it can take a while to find a buyer who will more than happily pay a price many feel is silly high.