Kurt's Card Care

Peter_Spaeth · #1 04-22-2024, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

In the 70's, when collecting was so much simpler, we did have a guy who was known for pressing out wrinkles on cards, and he sold them at our local card shows. If someone was interested in a card that he pressed the wrinkles out, he always made buyers aware (we actually all knew him as the winkle guy), and he never charged more money than what the card would have been worth with wrinkles.

I didn't really think much of that being a bad thing back then. I'm sure more things were being done to cards back then, but never really thought much of it.

Today, this is crazy what's being done. So many cards being soaked, trimmed, re-colored, pressed out, etc., so I can see why the true card collectors are angry over it. Sad.

For me, the issue isn't what's being done. It's the deception.

G1911 · #2 04-22-2024, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For me, the issue isn't what's being done. It's the deception.

+1. One may do whatever they wish with their property. It annoys me personally when people destroy unique uncut items and such, but my feelings don�t change whose property it is and what they are within their rights to do. Doctor a card, cut up a unique sheet, toss it into the fireplace and watch it burn, everyone may do as they wish with their rightful property. When they pass the problem to someone else with a coverup or series of lies, that�s where the problem is and is, of course, the entire point of the original alteration. It is done for profit, some by our regular scumbags who endorse defrauding people and advocate lying by omission or directly lying when selling.

Lorewalker · #3 04-22-2024, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

It is done for profit, some by our regular scumbags who endorse defrauding people and advocate lying by omission or directly lying when selling.

But do these scumbags you refer to rise to the level of being "shady, deceptive, and disingenuous"?

G1911 · #4 04-22-2024, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lorewalker

but do these scumbags you refer to rise to the level of being "shady, deceptive, and disingenuous"?

100%

Leon · #5 04-23-2024, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For me, the issue isn't what's being done. It's the deception.

And the answer is always the same, "money" or better known as, greed. How many times have we seen it in the hobby?

This hobby has all of the right conditions for fraud to be rampant.
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Peter_Spaeth · #6 04-23-2024, 08:55 PM

Yep. The unholy alliance of card doctors, TPGs and AHs. Perfect storm.

Lorewalker · #7 04-23-2024, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yep. The unholy alliance of card doctors, TPGs and AHs. Perfect storm.

The trifecta of shady, deceptive, and disingenuous.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #8 04-23-2024, 09:11 PM

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

4815162342 · #9 04-23-2024, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

I don�t follow. Are you saying raw cards are somehow less susceptible to card doctoring fraud? And how would cracking out cards alleviate this?

bnorth · #10 04-23-2024, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

Sure is. I have many many thousands of cards and maybe 10-12 graded cards. Is that too many?

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

I don�t follow. Are you saying raw cards are somehow less susceptible to card doctoring fraud? And how would cracking out cards alleviate this?

I believe he is referring to those that complain about grading but collect mainly high grade PSA cards. If so I also find it hilarious. If not it is far from the first time I am wrong.

G1911 · #11 04-23-2024, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

I�ve cracked thousands of slabs, and don�t have more than a couple dozen graded cards that sit in my trade bait bin. I�ve posted a pic before of a few hundred slips I�ve liberated.

Am I cleared to continue shitting on the scammers, liars, fraudsters, and dishonest people ripping people off or advocating why it�s okay to lie and cover up?

jingram058 · #12 04-24-2024, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

There's also a healthy dose of hypocrisy that abounds (unless everyone here collects and trades exclusively in raw cards). Hmm, I'm not hearing the sound of a single slab bening cracked. Surprise, surprise.

Read my signature.

It's still an enjoyable hobby to me, not a business.

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