Kurt's Card Care

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Card altering is far from limited to high grade cards so not sure what the anonymous guy was referring to. Also fail to see any hypocrisy by those who have posted here being against card altering. To boot there are plenty of ungraded cards out there for sale that are altered. One just has to look on eBay.

I have no issue with it if that's what people want to do, but I have never understood why removing a card from a slab is some sort of virtuous act.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have no issue with it if that's what people want to do, but I have never understood why removing a card from a slab is some sort of virtuous act.

First, I am not sure if the comment he made was directed at people who have posted here being against card altering or those who have written they are against the failure of the seller to disclose the efforts made to clean up a card upon offering the card for sale.

But I agree, I am not sure how one is not a hypocrite if they buy a graded card and break it out but they are if they don't break it out. In both cases that buyer is supporting grading. And it implies or suggests that buying raw somehow makes you immune from buying an altered card...at the end of the day I guess you cannot be labeled a hypocrite so there is that.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

First, I am not sure if the comment he made was directed at people who have posted here being against card altering or those who have written they are against the failure of the seller to disclose the efforts made to clean up a card upon offering the card for sale.

But I agree, I am not sure how one is not a hypocrite if they buy a graded card and break it out but they are if they don't break it out. In both cases that buyer is supporting grading. And it implies or suggests that buying raw somehow makes you immune from buying an altered card...at the end of the day I guess you cannot be labeled a hypocrite so there is that.

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

So unless I only buy raw cards on the BST, or from anonymous locals at shows, I can't be pure?

[G1911]

As it is not only possible but common to collect, trade and sell raw cards honestly and it is not only possible but common to collect, trade and sell graded cards honestly, I don't get any logic behind this new complaint. I wouldn't expect much logic though, there has to be something thrown in to attempt to delegitimize any advocacy of honesty and disclosure regardless of how little sense it makes. I'm sure we'll be back to pretending that taking 2 seconds to disclose the truth of a card when selling is just so complicated tomorrow.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So unless I only buy raw cards on the BST, or from anonymous locals at shows, I can't be pure?

This is why I only collect pre-war cards in the 1-5 range, give me caramel and tobacco stains, bumped corners, and wide borders any day of the week. Anything over a 6 is suspect to me.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Ben got the joke. That's all it was. See his breakdown of it. It was a general comment, not particularly directed to altering at all.

I have about 150,000 pieces. Perhaps 40 are slabbed and came to me that way. I can't stand their clunkiness or the fact that they take up so much space when they would take no room whatsoever in raw form, but we know the game: it will be easier to find new homes for them in their tombs. So yup, I can be included amongst the hypocrites, too! I would have added that to the post, but figured I'd do so shortly afterward!

And Greg, good on you for all that cracking!

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

This is why I only collect pre-war cards in the 1-5 range, give me caramel and tobacco stains, bumped corners, and wide borders any day of the week. Anything over a 6 is suspect to me.

Looking through Blowout's listing of altered cards there were plenty of 1's & 2's
that were turned into 3's & 4's.
I seemed to remember a bunch of Leaf's Jackie, Musial & Joe D. cards that were suspect, & that resulted in big money upgrades
You have to have balls to work on a T206 Wagner, not so much on a lower valued card like a Johnny Mize

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So unless I only buy raw cards on the BST, or from anonymous locals at shows, I can't be pure?

As far as I am concerned anyone can collect anyway they want. With the weird oddball stuff I collect/hoard I have no room to talk about how or what anyone collects.

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Looking through Blowout's listing of altered cards there were plenty of 1's & 2's
that were turned into 3's & 4's.
I seemed to remember a bunch of Leaf's Jackie, Musial & Joe D. cards that were suspect, & that resulted in big money upgrades
You have to have balls to work on a T206 Wagner, not so much on a lower valued card like a Johnny Mize

It is amazing how many don't seem to understand EVERYTHING at every level is being faked/altered/counterfeited/forged. It is far from just the high end stuff.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Looking through Blowout's listing of altered cards there were plenty of 1's & 2's

that were turned into 3's & 4's.

I seemed to remember a bunch of Leaf's Jackie, Musial & Joe D. cards that were suspect, & that resulted in big money upgrades

You have to have balls to work on a T206 Wagner, not so much on a lower valued card like a Johnny Mize

Where can one find this list? Thx

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I guess if you just focus on cracking out cards it does seem weird.

I more believe it to be people that constantly complain about PSAs horrible grading but collect PSA graded cards, those that complain about the AHs but buy most of their cards there, switch out AH with eBay, or those that complain about shill bidding but post about buying/consigning with known shillers. I see it as more like those examples.

I just don't see this as black and white as that. And not sure the anonymous guy knows each of our buying habits, etc...only snowman has that ability...to make such a generalized statement.