Kurt's Card Care

[Leon]

I think most on this forum agree with Ryan's take on cleaning cards, me included.

Originally Posted by 4815162342

“EXPLOSIVE INTERVIEW: PSA President Ryan Hoge on Card Cleaning, New Slabs, AI Grading & More!”

Skip ahead to 38:38 for the card cleaning question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfuICkhi4s

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9badYsGaCU0

[aconte]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9badYsGaCU0

Great video and spot on!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by aconte

Great video and spot on!

+2. Very spot on.
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[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Leon

+2. Very spot on.
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I agree with a lot of what was said in the video Peter posted. The one point in which I disagree is that by collecting cards in the Kurt’s Magic Juice Era, you automatically agree with the practice.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I agree with a lot of what was said in the video Peter posted. The one point in which I disagree is that by collecting cards in the Kurt’s Magic Juice Era, you automatically agree with the practice.

Correct. It would be akin to not doing steroids in the steroid era, but being blamed for agreeing with those that used them, only because a lot of players used them.

I perosnally. would probably not want to own a card that has been cleaned with Kurt's vs one that hasn't been cleaned, all things being equal.
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[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9badYsGaCU0

Good video. Thanks for sharing.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think most on this forum agree with Ryan's take on cleaning cards, me included.

Yes, most of the good stuff is late in the interview.

31:30 Hoge discusses providing grader notes

38:40 Card cleaning

42:30 SGC acquisition

I have never seen the man before, but he seems approachable and fairly transparent throughout the interview.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think most on this forum agree with Ryan's take on cleaning cards, me included.

Yes, most of the good stuff is late in the interview.

31:30 Hoge discusses providing grader notes

38:40 Card cleaning

42:30 SGC acquisition

I have never seen the man before, but he seems approachable and transparent throughout the interview.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not sure if these have been posted before. Safety data sheets for Kurt's spray and polish. I guess these at least reveal the secret ingredients?

https://www.kurtscardcare.com/_files...cc7ae243b2.pdf

https://www.kurtscardcare.com/_files...81e102e472.pdf

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not sure if these have been posted before. Safety data sheets for Kurt's spray and polish. I guess these at least reveal the secret ingredients?

https://www.kurtscardcare.com/_files...cc7ae243b2.pdf

https://www.kurtscardcare.com/_files...81e102e472.pdf

It's been published and talked about for a long time. He's also mentioned numerous times that he uses a small amount of rubbing alcohol in his spray.

For those unaware, every card manufacturer uses rubbing alcohol to clean up stray ink marks on signed cards when they get them back from the athletes after having them sign. They literally sit there with a q-tip and a bottle of rubbing alcohol, cleaning them up one by one. The cards often come back with all sorts of marks and smudges from the athletes stacking them while the ink is still wet.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It's been published and talked about for a long time. He's also mentioned numerous times that he uses a small amount of rubbing alcohol in his spray.



For those unaware, every card manufacturer uses rubbing alcohol to clean up stray ink marks on signed cards when they get them back from the athletes after having them sign. They literally sit there with a q-tip and a bottle of rubbing alcohol, cleaning them up one by one. The cards often come back with all sorts of marks and smudges from the athletes stacking them while the ink is still wet.

First, I doubt this is true given that I have personally seen dozens of cards come out of the pack with ink smudges on the back from the player stacking them when wet.

Second, that's irrelevant. What a manufacturer does to a card before it's packed out becomes part of production. What a person does to a card after it comes out of the pack is alteration. The manufacturer isn't altering a card pre-pack out by definition. A manufacturer cuts cards before putting them in packs. That doesn't mean a consumer can cut them and it not be alteration.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

First, I doubt this is true

You would.

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Second, that's irrelevant. What a manufacturer does to a card before it's packed out becomes part of production. What a person does to a card after it comes out of the pack is alteration. The manufacturer isn't altering a card pre-pack out by definition. A manufacturer cuts cards before putting them in packs. That doesn't mean a consumer can cut them and it not be alteration.

It's certainly not irrelevant to the argument that everyone opposed to card cleaning uses when they say that the reason you shouldn't use rubbing alcohol on cards is because we don't know what the long term effects are of using it. They are, of course, wrong, but that's a different discussion.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It's certainly not irrelevant to the argument that everyone opposed to card cleaning uses when they say that the reason you shouldn't use rubbing alcohol on cards is because we don't know what the long term effects are of using it. They are, of course, wrong, but that's a different discussion.

If "we" know both types of alcohol are ok for paper long term post a link to proof of that. Preferably from some reliable source, not some card doctors website.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It's been published and talked about for a long time. He's also mentioned numerous times that he uses a small amount of rubbing alcohol in his spray.

For those unaware, every card manufacturer uses rubbing alcohol to clean up stray ink marks on signed cards when they get them back from the athletes after having them sign. They literally sit there with a q-tip and a bottle of rubbing alcohol, cleaning them up one by one. The cards often come back with all sorts of marks and smudges from the athletes stacking them while the ink is still wet.

And what about the "proprietary detergents"? If you're going to be the Great Defender (shout out to the Platters), at least address the whole thing.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And what about the "proprietary detergents"? If you're going to be the Great Defender (shout out to the Platters), at least address the whole thing.

I don't know anything about the detergents he uses. I don't use his spray to soak my cards. I use distilled water.

[Flintboy]

+1 for a Platters shout out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't know anything about the detergents he uses. I don't use his spray to soak my cards. I use distilled water.

OK. Then until you know more, perhaps you should stop defending him, as you've done here and before.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't know anything about the detergents he uses.

Originally Posted by Snowman

You should probably just keep claiming that we don't know the long term effects of card cleaning despite the fact that it's been going on for at least a hundred years with millions of examples to point to, including the majority of the most valuable cards in the hobby.

Don’t know what they are or anything about them, but we know there are no long term effects of Kurts. That makes a lot of sense. Or maybe it’s more like…

Originally Posted by Snowman

The idiocy of this board has no bounds.