Memory Lane sold cards they didn't have per SCD

Peter_Spaeth · #1 05-19-2024, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, deep breath to use the same verbiage you did

. If you would like to argue something completely different than anything I said, there is no reason to quote my unrelated statement. Have at with whoevers point you are trying to counter here or whatever new point you want to make that has nothing to do with what I said.

Let's do a reset. Do you believe ML committed fraud? If so, why?

G1911 · #2 05-19-2024, 12:18 PM

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Let's do a reset. Do you believe ML committed fraud? If so, why?

It's in 555. Can anyone explain to me how hosting a fake auction does not meet those terms?

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-19-2024, 12:24 PM

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It's in 555. Can anyone explain to me how hosting a fake auction does not meet those terms?

Because (1) there is no intent to deceive and (2) there is no damage to anyone to whom any implicit misrepresentation was made. Law is also flexible in situations where applying standards literally would yield an unjustified result.

G1911 · #4 05-19-2024, 12:29 PM

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Because (1) there is no intent to deceive and (2) there is no damage to anyone to whom any implicit misrepresentation was made. Law is also flexible in situations where applying standards literally would yield to an unjustified result.

1 is completely untrue. There was an intent to deceive bidders, which was the entire point of doing this to set values. Pretending that they have the items and it's a real auction is very intentionally deceiving the bidders that are being lied to. It was not an unintended oversight. This claim is obviously untrue. Back to what I said about people saying anything to justify what they want - this is blatantly false and it is obvious that it is false.

Again, I have made no comment on 2 nor does this have anything to do with the definition. The bidders did not pay and thus do not have provable damages. This may have something to do with why I am not arguing whether or not they should be taken to civil court for fraud.

Republicaninmass · #5 05-19-2024, 12:33 PM

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1 is completely untrue. There was an intent to deceive bidders, which was the entire point of doing this to set values. Pretending that they have the items and it's a real auction is very intentionally deceiving the bidders that are being lied to. It was not an unintended oversight. This claim is obviously untrue. Back to what I said about people saying anything to justify what they want - this is blatantly false and it is obvious that it is false.

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But they did have the items, they were, just and still, are missing. The didn't steal scans from the registry or cards they weren't entrusted to sell. So it isn't really that obvious, blatent, or cut and dry... You know, your opinion is one thing, facts are another!

G1911 · #6 05-19-2024, 12:36 PM

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But they did have the items, they were, just and still, are missing. The didn't steal scans from the registry or cards they weren't entrusted to sell. So it isn't really that obvious, blatent, or cut and dry... You know, your opinion is one thing, facts are another!

You cannot deliver a product that you no longer have any power over

. They covered up the actual facts to host an auction they knew they could not actually provide the product of.

There must be a way to defend this without denying easily ascertainable provable facts and insisting on fake insurance policies that do not exist

Oops, I forgot to check if my religion and net worth matches the Republican guy's before posting again. Darn it.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-19-2024, 12:40 PM

Intent to deceive, as I think of it, means intending to induce the other party to take an action that is to their detriment. Literally, yes, you could say in a vacuum that ML wanted bidders to keep bidding, but then you're divorcing the exercise from the whole point of fraud law.

G1911 · #8 05-19-2024, 12:47 PM

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Intent to deceive, as I think of it, means intending to induce the other party to take an action that is to their detriment. Literally, yes, you could say in a vacuum that ML wanted bidders to keep bidding, but then you're divorcing the exercise from the whole point of fraud law.

Again, just as with "fraud" and "fraudulent", I am going to use the definable meaning of the word in the language and not my custom interpretation or how I would like to think of things. Primary definition 1, as well as 3A, 3B. Memory Lane inarguably intended to deceive bidders as the entire point of this farce. This debate was more sincere when we were debating whether it was acceptable to do this than now where we are pretending they did not.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 05-19-2024, 01:01 PM

I don't want any result here, and you can keep saying it until you're blue in the face but it ain't so. I am simply stating my opinion on whether there was fraud, which happens to be informed by decades of experience which I am sure you will disregard as some sort of "appeal to authority" which it is not.

Republicaninmass · #10 05-19-2024, 12:21 PM

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Let's do a reset. Do you believe ML committed fraud? If so, why?

He has an opinion!!! Let's all gather round and sing Kumbaya and he can tell us how great and important is voice is to be heard.

G1911 · #11 05-19-2024, 12:24 PM

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He has an opinion!!! Let's all gather round and sing Kumbaya and he can tell us how great and important is voice is to be heard.

I cannot possibly follow your policy that anybody who does not share your amount of $'s, religious faith, and creed should not speak until you define these rules for all the disgusting poors and sinners.

How much money must one have to express an opinion in a place you are? Is that in raw cash on hand or net work?

What religious view must I have to have an opinion worthy of expression?

What creed(s) must I follow for your approval?

Enquiring minds want to know

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