Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

SGC doesn’t seem to have suffered any negative repercussions when they quietly decided to drop their guarantee.

Nobody cares.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody cares.

If they discover they have a doctored high value card in their collection, they will probably care a lot more.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

If they discover they have a doctored high value card in their collection, they will probably care a lot more.

Meh -- most would just flip it if it bothered them and not go to war with PSA even with the guarantee. And it wouldn't bother most.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

If they discover they have a doctored high value card in their collection, they will probably care a lot more.

Not when they can just turn around and resell it though. That's why I was jokingly saying earlier for you to just sell me the Mays cheap and that I'd be happy to resell it for full market prices. These cards are EVERYWHERE. It's our entire hobby. It's not just a few cards here or there or even a few thousand cards or even a few hundred thousand cards. It's millions. Many millions. If you want to collect vintage cards then you can't escape it. Especially if you try to compete on the registry. Guys like Marshall Fogel's and Nat Turners' entire vintage collections are altered or improved in some way or another. And even the lower grade stuff gets improved as well. There is an army of people that compete for cards that have potential to be improved. A lot of the extreme outlier sales that seem outrageous or that people claim are shilled cards are actually cards that the buyers know they can get to bump 2 or more grades. I see it all the time. Someone will post a card on social media and everyone chimes in with "fake sale", then I look at the card and immediately spot why it sold for as much as it did. A lot of flaws can be fixed. Undetectably fixed. It is what it is.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Not when they can just turn around and resell it though. That's why I was jokingly saying earlier for you to just sell me the Mays cheap and that I'd be happy to resell it for full market prices.

I guess I’m not convinced that it would sell for full market price if it’s in the Tiffany Cards database. But perhaps I’m overestimating the number of people who are aware of the database.

Or I just figure that a number of collectors who are familiar with the database would be quick to jump on such a listing and inform the auction house that they’re trafficking in doctored cards, and demand that the listing either be removed or the doctoring be disclosed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

I guess I’m not convinced that it would sell for full market price if it’s in the Tiffany Cards database. But perhaps I’m overestimating the number of people who are aware of the database.

Or I just figure that a number of collectors who are familiar with the database would be quick to jump on such a listing and inform the auction house that they’re trafficking in doctored cards, and demand that the listing either be removed or the doctoring be disclosed.

No disrespect to the great effort involved in that database, but I am guessing very few people check it before bidding on anything.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

I guess I’m not convinced that it would sell for full market price if it’s in the Tiffany Cards database. But perhaps I’m overestimating the number of people who are aware of the database.

Or I just figure that a number of collectors who are familiar with the database would be quick to jump on such a listing and inform the auction house that they’re trafficking in doctored cards, and demand that the listing either be removed or the doctoring be disclosed.

LOL - Nobody cares about that database. Even the majority of people who are aware of it still probably don't care.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snowman

LOL - Nobody cares about that database. Even the majority of people who are aware of it still probably don't care.

100 percent. Either they don’t know or don’t care. Most of the latter.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

LOL - Nobody cares about that database. Even the majority of people who are aware of it still probably don't care.

I think collectors care. Flippers and card doctors do not.


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[Leon]

No doubt. Card doctors can go Eff themselves.... as far as flippers, no, they only care about $$ too

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I think collectors care. Flippers and card doctors do not.

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[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Not when they can just turn around and resell it though. That's why I was jokingly saying earlier for you to just sell me the Mays cheap and that I'd be happy to resell it for full market prices. These cards are EVERYWHERE. It's our entire hobby. It's not just a few cards here or there or even a few thousand cards or even a few hundred thousand cards. It's millions. Many millions. If you want to collect vintage cards then you can't escape it. Especially if you try to compete on the registry. Guys like Marshall Fogel's and Nat Turners' entire vintage collections are altered or improved in some way or another. And even the lower grade stuff gets improved as well. There is an army of people that compete for cards that have potential to be improved. A lot of the extreme outlier sales that seem outrageous or that people claim are shilled cards are actually cards that the buyers know they can get to bump 2 or more grades. I see it all the time. Someone will post a card on social media and everyone chimes in with "fake sale", then I look at the card and immediately spot why it sold for as much as it did. A lot of flaws can be fixed. Undetectably fixed. It is what it is.

Truth….this is the reality of it. The truth can be painful but at least it’s honest.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody cares about SGC

Fixed it for ya!

[raulus]

It’s official now. They even kept the same cert.