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Old 06-01-2024, 10:47 PM
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Paul Skenes 1 of 1 Bowman Chrome Superfractor Auto ended tonight in Goldin Auctions at a touch over $80,000. I think it was a good price for the buyer. Investing in Pitchers is risky nowadays but Skenes looks like the real deal.
A Trout Superfractor sold for 3.9 Million a few years back.
He's pitched 4 games. Think it might be a bit early?
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He's pitched 4 games. Think it might be a bit early?

LOL just a smidge.
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He's pitched 4 games. Think it might be a bit early?
Obviously, a 4 game sample is nothing. But there are other very good reasons to believe that Paul Skenes is in fact the real deal. His strikeout numbers at every level are extraordinary. And he's hitting 102 on the gun as a starter. The gun is virtually unhittable. He very well might be the best pitcher on the planet right now.
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Skenes is the highest profile rookie pitcher since Stephen Strasburg and before him probably Mark Prior. Both are great illustrations of the risk. Both were elite pitchers and likely could have made the HOF if injuries had not interfered. The concern is the same with Skenes. I hope for his sake and for baseball that he does not get injured, but I am certainly not confident he will avoid injury.
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If Skenes has a ROY season the buyer can probably double the investment. If Skenes can win a CY in the next few years the buyer can probably count on the same outcome, if not more.

Tim Lincecum was great once. He was a top-10 overall minor league prospect when he broke into the bigs. He won CY a couple years in a row at ages 24 and 25. He had a couple more good years and the rest of his short career was about as remarkable as a middle-rotation starter.

Considering these 2 scenarios, if the buyer is in it to flip it, it's not a bad gamble even if it is a gamble. If he's in it to get a future HOF'r or a player with an otherwise notable career then that's a hell of a gamble the buyer is playing.

Hell, in this era you gotta cross your fingers and hope they're not into roids, inappropriate sex, or beating women as well as any talent that might fail.
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Skenes is the highest profile rookie pitcher since Stephen Strasburg and before him probably Mark Prior. Both are great illustrations of the risk. Both were elite pitchers and likely could have made the HOF if injuries had not interfered. The concern is the same with Skenes. I hope for his sake and for baseball that he does not get injured, but I am certainly not confident he will avoid injury.
Curt Schilling, whose baseball intelligence I respect greatly, posted on FB recently that he thought Skenes would need Tommy John within 400 innings of his major league debut. Just a note from a pitcher who should be in the HOF

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Curt Schilling, whose baseball intelligence I respect greatly, posted on FB recently that he thought Skenes would need Tommy John within 400 innings of his major league debut. Just a note from a pitcher who should be in HOF



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That's a provocative thing for Schilling to say, and for you.

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That's a provocative thing for Schilling to say, and for you.

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Schilling may not have realized that Skenes started pitching his junior year in high school and it was quite limited until LSU. Pitching is his newest position and anything in his favour is that he had very limited use of his arm. But anything can happen. His supposed to be battery mate, Endy Rodriquez, threw out his arm in the offseason and needed TJ surgery.
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Schilling may not have realized that Skenes started pitching his junior year in high school and it was quite limited until LSU. Pitching is his newest position and anything in his favour is that he had very limited use of his arm. But anything can happen. His supposed to be battery mate, Endy Rodriquez, threw out his arm in the offseason and needed TJ surgery.
I doubt he would talk about things he is not well informed about.

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Curt Schilling, whose baseball intelligence I respect greatly, posted on FB recently that he thought Skenes would need Tommy John within 400 innings of his major league debut. Just a note from a pitcher who should be in HOF

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That's pretty funny because I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching him lol. He whips that elbow pretty ferociously.
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That's pretty funny because I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching him lol. He whips that elbow pretty ferociously.
I just watched some clips, not that I am an expert in pitching mechanics, but it sure looks that way. He doesn't seem to me (amateur assessment to be sure) to be getting enough drive from his legs.
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80K for a card of a rookie pitcher? That’s ridiculous.
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Wasn’t Steven Strasberg hitting 102 also?
Shit happens. A lot of it for pitchers.

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Obviously, a 4 game sample is nothing. But there are other very good reasons to believe that Paul Skenes is in fact the real deal. His strikeout numbers at every level are extraordinary. And he's hitting 102 on the gun as a starter. The gun is virtually unhittable. He very well might be the best pitcher on the planet right now.
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Ben McDonald. Todd Van Poppel. Rick Ankiel.
Imagine if he has the rookie season of Mark Fidrych...
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Imagine if he has the rookie season of Mark Fidrych...
Or Doc Gooden.
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Or Doc Gooden.
But Gooden had a pretty good(en) hahaha, 10 year run (154-81, 3.04 ERA) while Fidrych was arguably done after his fantastic rookie year.

If Skenes is the next Gooden, that card retains / gains value for awhile, if he is the next Fidrych, then bicycle spokes await considerably sooner...

Similarity scores for Fidrych are Satchel Paige his rookie year, then Gus Krock the next.

Gooden has Kid Nichols, Drysdale, Clemens, Verlander in his as he gets older
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But Gooden had a pretty good(en) hahaha, 10 year run (154-81, 3.04 ERA) while Fidrych was arguably done after his fantastic rookie year.

If Skenes is the next Gooden, that card retains / gains value for awhile, if he is the next Fidrych, then bicycle spokes await considerably sooner...
Fair enough, although in context I still consider Gooden as a huge bust relative to his beginning and otherworldly talent.
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But Gooden had a pretty good(en) hahaha, 10 year run (154-81, 3.04 ERA) while Fidrych was arguably done after his fantastic rookie year.
Fidrych was even better his second season before getting hurt. He had a 1.70 ERA and was 5 innings deep into a shutout when he got hurt. After that, he was finished.

Fidrych found out years later he had a torn rotator cuff.
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He's pitched 4 games. Think it might be a bit early?
Absolutely Ridiculous - IT'S A PIECE OF CARDBOARD with a picture of a guy that has a total of 4 games under his belt?
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