Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Now, please get back on the topic of labeling cards that are on the altered card database. Let's see your mock up!

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

No not everyone just those that do it claim that.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No not everyone just those that do it claim that.

And those that grade them and whose opinions actually matter. Soaking a vintage card in water has always been an acceptable practice by every grading company whether you like it or not.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Excellent! Now that you've accurately represented the card, perhaps we should discuss what is and is not an alteration since you claim to be maintaining a database of "altered" cards. As we all know, soaking a vintage card in water and letting it dry is not an alteration. So why is this card in your database again?

We do not know what the card was soaked in. You said that you did not clean the card. Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered. I hope that the card was not soaked in tap water, even Kurt has said to never do that. Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable. Therefore, the card was added to the altered card database.

The altered card database is not the judge, jury or executioner as to what is or isn't an altered card. That role belongs to the person that wants to purchase the card. The altered card database is an educational tool that provide collectors with information about cards.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

We do not know what the card was soaked in.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

You said that you did not clean the card.

True

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I hope that the card was not soaked in tap water

It was not

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

even Kurt has said to never do that.

Since when did you start listening to Kurt's opinions?

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable.

False

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Therefore, the card was added to the altered card database.

True

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

The altered card database is not the judge, jury or executioner as to what is or isn't an altered card.

Really? You don't say. And here I was thinking it mattered. Boy do I feel silly.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

That role belongs to the person that wants to purchase the card. The altered card database is an educational tool that provide collectors with information about cards.

It sounds awesome! I'll let you know what I find in there just as soon as it finishes loading (it's currently at 4 min 27 seconds and counting...)

[TiffanyCards]

We do not know what the card was soaked in.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

Response: Only the person that cleaned the card knows what it was soaked in. Please share with us who cleaned the card, so that they can confirm what they soaked it in.




Based on the before and after pictures the card does show evidence of being altered.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

Response: Before and After pics show a stain removed. Are you disputing your own images?




Based on PSAs most recent comments even soaking a card in water is not acceptable.

Originally Posted by Snowman

False

"We are fine with blowing on it or using a dab of water or using microfiber to clean it," said Ryan Hoge, president of Collectors, parent company of PSA. "But when you are doing much more, we are not on board." https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...ing-rejections




Good news, we are making progress. However, we are all still waiting for your sticker.