Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by steve B

I doubt a simple soaking in water would remove a water stain like that.

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about high grade vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why I think many of us have unknowingly cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

[TiffanyCards]

Snowman can you provide the cert # or the additional images of the 1953 Jackie Robinson when it was in a PSA 2.5 holder? Thanks

[Carter08]

Maybe it’s because I can’t afford them but whenever I see a clean card with sharp corners pre-1960 I tend to think it’s been worked on (or found in a Black Swamp).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Snowman can you provide the cert # or the additional images of the 1953 Jackie Robinson when it was in a PSA 2.5 holder? Thanks

What could you possibly need that for? To try to "out" who I bought it from? LOL. GFY

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

What could you possibly need that for? To try to "out" who I bought it from? LOL. GFY

To add it to the database to further document the history of the card. It’s almost like a provenance that is found with all art restoration. You also claim that the card was soaked in water and not other chemicals. Since you didn’t clean the card it would be helpful to hear from the person that did. For someone that says there is nothing wrong with it, then why are you trying to hide it??

Still waiting for that sticker.


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[steve B]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to help spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about the vast majority of vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why many of us have cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

I agree on cleaned cards, and regular stains. It happens all the time, and sometimes isn't a bad thing.

That sort of water stain though usually has had the paper damp enough that the sizing has slightly broken down letting the fibers expand. It's possible soaking and pressing would fix that issue, but the discoloration is also usually very deep into the cardboard. I have doubts that just water would fix that sort of stain.

I may do some experimenting, and see if I can cause then fix that sort of stain.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by steve B

I agree on cleaned cards, and regular stains. It happens all the time, and sometimes isn't a bad thing.

That sort of water stain though usually has had the paper damp enough that the sizing has slightly broken down letting the fibers expand. It's possible soaking and pressing would fix that issue, but the discoloration is also usually very deep into the cardboard. I have doubts that just water would fix that sort of stain.

I may do some experimenting, and see if I can cause then fix that sort of stain.

You have no idea what you're talking about. But yes, go run some experiments. That's a good idea.

The funny thing is you wouldn't even need to soak a card in water to remove a stain like that.

[JollyElm]

NM...

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to help spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about the vast majority of vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why many of us have cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

Exactly this! The number of people just talking straight out of their ass on this subject is hilarious. Just toss a 10¢ common into a bucket of water and let it dry ffs. It's not rocket science and you might learn something.