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D. Bergin · #1 06-09-2024, 02:01 PM

Artist looks like S. Parker. Also went by "SPARK".

https://www.cartoons.ac.uk/cartoonis...p/SParker.html

Unfortunately, not a lot of other easily accessible info using a surface level Google search.

G1911 · #2 06-14-2024, 11:43 AM

I don't collect autographs or anything sports-related besides cards, but Fighting Dick Hyland here is a T card subject of special significance to my research projects as the only known surviving T card contract of any subject, boxing or otherwise (which I do not own but would love to buy

). Saw this on eBay for $25. In hand it's not a printed on signature but is clearly actually written on the photograph, and it looked close enough to other signature examples I googled. I am not fit to authenticate or judge signatures but it presumably isn't worth much of anything even if real and will just go well on my wall regardless.

The autograph, real or fake, is made out to Billy Mahoney, a prominent Northern California sportswriter who made the World Boxing Hall of Fame as a journalist.

D. Bergin · #3 06-14-2024, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I don't collect autographs or anything sports-related besides cards, but Fighting Dick Hyland here is a T card subject of special significance to my research projects as the only known surviving T card contract of any subject, boxing or otherwise (which I do not own but would love to buy

). Saw this on eBay for $25. In hand it's not a printed on signature but is clearly actually written on the photograph, and it looked close enough to other signature examples I googled. I am not fit to authenticate or judge signatures but it presumably isn't worth much of anything even if real and will just go well on my wall regardless.

The autograph, real or fake, is made out to Billy Mahoney, a prominent Northern California sportswriter who made the World Boxing Hall of Fame as a journalist.

Yup, looks good to me. I've sold a few of him at least, over the years. None for very much.

I believe Hyland and Mahoney were both regulars at the Ring Association Veteran Boxer Dinners and Events that were pretty common in the 50's and 60's.

Doesn't mean he's a "common" autograph...just that he's not very sought after for what's out there.

Amazing how little some of these old-timers will sell for when they pop up. Guys who aren't really remembered today, but were pretty prominent back when they fought.

D. Bergin · #4 06-14-2024, 03:20 PM

Hyland was in several "This is a Big Deal" type fights in his career. The Leach Cross one pictured above that went 41 rounds.

...and this one against Battling Nelson for the Lightweight Title. Gave a good showing while it lasted, but signing up for a 45 round bout against prime Bat Nelson, was probably not in his best interest at the time.

G1911 · #5 06-15-2024, 03:33 PM

Thank you for the knowledge share. I'm happy it looks legit, I figured it can't be worth that much as there aren't Dick Hyland fans anymore

. If good-not-great T card subjects can be found this cheap though, I will have to pick up some more. I'm getting to the point where it's going to be months between card pickups as my wantlist shrinks, I can stop or add other items of the subjects to go alongside the cards.

I saw Hyland got some attention a couple years ago among the younger crowd for a colorized photo that was going around. It's so different from baseball, this level of talent, a guy who would make a few all-star games but never win an MVP or make the Hall, is completely forgotten in boxing quickly.

D. Bergin · #6 06-16-2024, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Thank you for the knowledge share. I'm happy it looks legit, I figured it can't be worth that much as there aren't Dick Hyland fans anymore

. If good-not-great T card subjects can be found this cheap though, I will have to pick up some more. I'm getting to the point where it's going to be months between card pickups as my wantlist shrinks, I can stop or add other items of the subjects to go alongside the cards.

I saw Hyland got some attention a couple years ago among the younger crowd for a colorized photo that was going around. It's so different from baseball, this level of talent, a guy who would make a few all-star games but never win an MVP or make the Hall, is completely forgotten in boxing quickly.

Good lord! Looks like Hyland on the right, but I can't quite place the fella on the left.

I don't know how much they embellished the blood in the colorization process, but they certainly had lots of bloodbaths back then, especially among the lighter weight fighters who often wore less padded horsehair gloves then the higher weight guys. They didn't hit as hard, but would corkscrew their punches and cut each other up pretty badly.

Ad Wolgast and Bat Nelson were in several of these types of bouts. Both against each other and others.

G1911 · #7 06-16-2024, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Good lord! Looks like Hyland on the right, but I can't quite place the fella on the left.

I don't know how much they embellished the blood in the colorization process, but they certainly had lots of bloodbaths back then, especially among the lighter weight fighters who often wore less padded horsehair gloves then the higher weight guys. They didn't hit as hard, but would corkscrew their punches and cut each other up pretty badly.

Ad Wolgast and Bat Nelson were in several of these types of bouts. Both against each other and others.

The other gentleman is Ray Campbell (I don''t know him, because he doesn't have a T card

), in a 1913 bout. This is the original photo in B/W, so it looks like the colorization was fairly honest.

I know today's guys are the in the best shape drugs can create and are quicker etc., but man the old timers took incredible amounts of punishment and fought all the time. These guys had to be tough as nails. Baseball and boxing have the deepest histories, but boxing does not treasure or remember it's past like baseball does. I guess that kind of makes sense, a pastoral game of nostalgia vs. a sport of brutality. I have had a ton of fun looking up newspaper articles and coverage of the forgotten card subjects and learning about all the guys who weren't Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali.

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