Do you pay extra for a card from a famous collector?

Jobu · #1 06-09-2024, 05:02 PM

I think it depends. Things purportedly owned by F Scott Fitzgerald bring a premium. Cards with Jefferson Burdick stamps also bring premiums, but he was arguably the most important collector and cards from his collection are difficult to find because he donated his collection to the Met so only stuff that he traded/sold (and stamped before the transaction) during his lifetime is out there. I think Charlie Sheen's cards might also bring a little bit of a premium. I don't know that I have seen cards from any other collector's collection go for anything more than they would as a regular old card.

kcohen · #2 06-09-2024, 06:48 PM

No, definitely not. Unless it comes from the Dan McKee collection.

Rich Klein · #3 06-09-2024, 07:34 PM

You will know this hobby is getting towards being a long-term hobby when provenance becomes an important part of your potential buying. In future generations, that will become even more important in my opinion.

Rich

Casey2296 · #4 06-09-2024, 08:27 PM

All things being equal in card condition I would pay a small premium for provenance from old time collectors.

kailes2872 · #5 06-09-2024, 08:46 PM

One of my biggest collecting regrets is not going harder for a complete '33 Delong Lionel Carter set in REA a few years ago (2016/2017?).

I can't remember what it sold for, but it was substantially cheaper than the Gehrig goes for now and the entire set was SGC. It would have been awesome to have that set with Lionel's name on all of the slabs. But, alas, I couldn't pull the trigger and will now probably never own the set, let alone that specific one.

GasHouseGang · #6 06-09-2024, 09:04 PM

Here is one of the threads that talked about this:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=336414

mrreality68 · #7 06-09-2024, 09:14 PM

For me it would not be a famous collector but the card or item from a players personal collection

The Nasty Nati · #8 06-12-2024, 01:37 PM

I didn't know the whole '33 Delong set was sold to one winner. No wonder I don't see any Lionel Carter Delongs up for auction. I've always REALLY wanted a '33 Delong Lionel Carter card because that was the set the got him into collecting, and that's the earliest confirmed set that he pack pulled.

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Originally Posted by kailes2872

One of my biggest collecting regrets is not going harder for a complete '33 Delong Lionel Carter set in REA a few years ago (2016/2017?).

I can't remember what it sold for, but it was substantially cheaper than the Gehrig goes for now and the entire set was SGC. It would have been awesome to have that set with Lionel's name on all of the slabs. But, alas, I couldn't pull the trigger and will now probably never own the set, let alone that specific one.

kailes2872 · #9 06-12-2024, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

I didn't know the whole '33 Delong set was sold to one winner. No wonder I don't see any Lionel Carter Delongs up for auction. I've always REALLY wanted a '33 Delong Lionel Carter card because that was the set the got him into collecting, and that's the earliest confirmed set that he pack pulled.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=39829

I still can't believe how cheap it went. The Gehrig was a 40/3 and the whole set went for 6k

T206Collector · #10 06-10-2024, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Klein

You will know this hobby is getting towards being a long-term hobby when provenance becomes an important part of your potential buying. In future generations, that will become even more important in my opinion.

Rich

+1

calvindog · #11 06-10-2024, 08:25 AM

I think one of the main reasons I�d be interested in a card owned by an old time hobby leader is the decreased likelihood of alteration.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #12 06-10-2024, 09:04 AM

On the autograph side of things, I definitely always like to know a piece's chain of ownership. It's often much easier to tell if a vintage 3x5 was in the hands of a certain collector by their old notations, usually handwritten. Some knowledgeable collectors appreciate this type of info, and I always let them know the links in the chain of ownership upon request, provided I have such insight. I find that fascinating, and a nice bonus to collecting.

steve B · #13 06-10-2024, 09:29 AM

I would maybe pay a slight premium. Or if two cards were equal the one from a well known collector might be the one I buy.

I have other stuff from the collections of well known collectors, and it's cool, knowing for instance that FDR owned and collected it.

Huck · #14 06-10-2024, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

On the autograph side of things, I definitely always like to know a piece's chain of ownership.

+1

brianp-beme · #15 06-10-2024, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think one of the main reasons I�d be interested in a card owned by an old time hobby leader is the decreased likelihood of alteration.

Conversely, I have E93 cards that were owned by long-time and respected hobbyist Don McPherson that I know had their tops and/or bottoms sliced down by him so that they would fit better into sheets. Don's collection of similarly trimmed early candy card sets were eventually auctioned by Lew Lipset with this trimming noted. I smile knowing their history.

Brian

darkhorse9 · #16 06-10-2024, 12:56 PM

You could argue that it hurts if it came from someone like Keith Olbermann.

Although he is a renowned collector, his polarizing politics might keep a lot of people away.

Kco · #17 06-10-2024, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think one of the main reasons I�d be interested in a card owned by an old time hobby leader is the decreased likelihood of alteration.

I second this, and on the autograph side I feel it adds a huge layer of history behind any premium item vs a random non-descript item of similar quality. I happen to be a GPC collector and paid a premium on a few tough ones from the Long Beach collection that was sold off via Lelands last year.

Yoda · #18 06-10-2024, 03:01 PM

One of my most prized pieces is a Pinkerton T3 Cobb with Buck Barker's printed name and address on the back. I probably will be buried with it.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #19 06-10-2024, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kco

I second this, and on the autograph side I feel it adds a huge layer of history behind any premium item vs a random non-descript item of similar quality. I happen to be a GPC collector and paid a premium on a few tough ones from the Long Beach collection that was sold off via Lelands last year.

With familiar collector markings, GPCs and 3X5s can often tell their own histories if you're versed in the various notations and printing styles of earlier collectors.

The first bonus with this is the aforementioned history/provenance.

The second is that, with these autographed items, the value seems unaffected by such markings and may in fact net you a little premium. With cards, a marked card usually takes a big hit. Buck Barker notations pale in comparison to a GEM MINT 10, unfortunately. I'm with the people who would rather have the Buck cards, but we all know how the game is played.

Some collectors were very good about dating the backs of their 3X5s. Roy Pitts, Roger Harris and Jim Rogge come to mind. They obtained most of their collections TTM. Harold Esch used to get 3X5s signed in person during spring training and would also date them in a lower corner. This is a tradition I've always upheld with the 3X5s I personally obtained, but keep my writing to light pencil on the backs. Dating these items helps us and the future generations have a better grasp of the evolution of every player's signature, so I always take the time to date mine, just as old T. Roy Pitts liked to do for all those years. I'd advise anyone else to do the same! In time, and to people perhaps yet to be born, our notations will be of equal interest as those earlier collectors.

The third wonderful aspect is that I have yet to see any forger attempt to replicate any of the collector's handwritten notations. I'm racking my memory bank long and hard to think of any instance and am coming up empty. You'd just think that this would have happened a time or three.

Snowman · #20 06-11-2024, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think one of the main reasons I�d be interested in a card owned by an old time hobby leader is the decreased likelihood of alteration.

LOL. Now THAT was funny. Good one Jeff!

How much would you pay for a Marshall Fogel card?

Chris-Counts · #21 06-11-2024, 04:36 PM

I have a 1933 Tattoo Orbit of Lefty Grove from the Lionel Carter collection that is trimmed.

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think one of the main reasons I�d be interested in a card owned by an old time hobby leader is the decreased likelihood of alteration.

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