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Old 06-15-2024, 02:38 AM
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Default Gretzky T206 Wagner
00000001 big lie started it all...ironic don't you think!

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00000001 big lie started it all...ironic don't you think!

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Someday we can only hope it will serve as the ultimate test of their "guarantee".
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Someday we can only hope it will serve as the ultimate test of their "guarantee".
Nobody is ever going to buy it and then try to return it to PSA.
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Nobody is ever going to buy it and then try to return it to PSA.
They would be nuts to do so. Plus there’s a cap on their guarantee. Pretty sure the cap is $250k. So doubly nuts to make the attempt.
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PSA graded sheet cut cards in the 90s, so the PSA 8 grade for the Gretzky Wagner was legitimate at the time. PSA doesn't recall cards and regrade them by today's standards.

I don't understand why people are so bothered by the grade. I bet if they had a over graded card in an old holder, they wouldn't send it to PSA to get it reholdered with a lower grade.
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PSA graded sheet cut cards in the 90s, so the PSA 8 grade for the Gretzky Wagner was legitimate at the time. PSA doesn't recall cards and regrade them by today's standards.

I don't understand why people are so bothered by the grade. I bet if they had a over graded card in an old holder, they wouldn't send it to PSA to get it reholdered with a lower grade.
I have NEVER heard that justification. David Hall's defense was always that it was original.
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I have NEVER heard that justification. David Hall's defense was always that it was original.

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I was at a PSA registry luncheon at the National around the time that Mastro was on trial. David Hall spoke and said that he viewed the Gretzky Wagner under magnification and that in his opinion it was not trimmed.
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PSA graded sheet cut cards in the 90s, so the PSA 8 grade for the Gretzky Wagner was legitimate at the time. PSA doesn't recall cards and regrade them by today's standards.

I don't understand why people are so bothered by the grade. I bet if they had a over graded card in an old holder, they wouldn't send it to PSA to get it reholdered with a lower grade.
This is not true and PSA has never even tried to claim this. People will just make things up to defend corporations they don’t even work for lol.
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BRB.....gonna go check my safety deposit box for cards I left there when I was ....... 14?
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This is not true and PSA has never even tried to claim this. People will just make things up to defend corporations they don’t even work for lol.
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This is not true and PSA has never even tried to claim this. People will just make things up to defend corporations they don’t even work for lol.
Well it sure sounded good, to him, as he was posting it. There ya go again wrecking things for these good folks. Everything with you is about facts and truth. You are so unreasonable.
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I have NEVER heard that justification. David Hall's defense was always that it was original.

It is true.

https://t206museum.com/periodical_79.html

The book quotes Bill Hughes, a member of the grading service team that issued the card's high grade - Professional Sports Authenticator gave it a 8 on a scale of 1-10 - as admitting he knew the card had been cut from a sheet when he graded it.

Bill Hughes was a well known national dealer who I had done plenty of business with. David Hall is someone who I knew nothing about until much later, as he was unknown to the hobby at the time. This was well known within the hobby. Since I had no idea who David Hall was, I have no idea if he knew this.

I was set up in a show in 1999 where SGC and PSA were grading cards on site. I had a card that I wanted graded so I took it to SCG. They refused to grade the card, saying it was sheet cut. They told me to take the card to PSA, that PSA graded sheet cut cards. PSA gave the card a numbered grade.

In the 80s and 90s, there wasn't a stigma attached to sheet cut cards that there is today.
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