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Old 07-12-2024, 04:43 AM
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Not trying to be argumentative, but what point or purpose would looking at an id solve with no documentation? I worked my way through college as a bouncer at a couple rough bars. I looked at thousands of ids, often hundreds in a day. We had plenty of fights, even a stabbing once…not a single time ever did myself or another bouncer have a name to offer the police unless it happened to be a regular and you could come up with a first name. Checking ids only accomplished that we knew for 20 seconds they were old enough to be there. You would have needed to be Dustin Hoffman in rain man to recall who that random persons id was.

If someone asks why ids are necessary can security, unless there is a new minimum age to go to the national, really be a defensible argument? I can’t see any real benefit to glancing at an id for 10 seconds other than to just annoy people and have the door people forced into arguing with guests the entire time. Even documenting the ids, without taking a current picture of them as well like the airport it’s still fairly worthless. Having someone steal something and then handing the police a list of thousands of names and ids for some sort of assistance would result in them likely rolling their eyes.

If someone is up to no good, the idea they randomly flashed an id among 10000 other people is not going to slow them down a wink.
In simplest terms, I'm hosting a card show in a synagogue. We not only have the issue of potential theft (thankfully I'm not aware in all these years of anything close to being major taken except from our prize table back in the day.) We also frankly have the issue of Anti-Semitism which can pop up in ways we don't want to think about. We are not a public place and thus can have more stringent rules for people verification.

Trust me, I don't want to do this but it's something which absolutely has to be considered in today's world and it's not something I (nor the brotherhood board and the synagogue board) take lightly.

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In simplest terms, I'm hosting a card show in a synagogue. We not only have the issue of potential theft (thankfully I'm not aware in all these years of anything close to being major taken except from our prize table back in the day.) We also frankly have the issue of Anti-Semitism which can pop up in ways we don't want to think about. We are not a public place and thus can have more stringent rules for people verification.

Trust me, I don't want to do this but it's something which absolutely has to be considered in today's world and it's not something I (nor the brotherhood board and the synagogue board) take lightly.

Rich
This is an important piece to the puzzle and does make me understand your concern, I did not realize the extra piece. I still would rather have a 150 buck Nest cam at the entrance as I think it accomplishes more and is far more intimidating to a criminal as the social media army frankly does quicker investigations than the police in many or most of these cases.

That said, the synagogue changes the dynamic. The amount of open and accepted antisemitism makes me sick now. Do as you wish, but taking those new items into account, I think the camera is more needed now. I know most people ignore or overlook it, but next time you leave the grocery store or bank notice the measurement chart next to the door. This is to provide the height info for any issues. I would add one to the entrance in the cameras view as well...even if it's painters tape marked.

Sorry you have to worry about this and it is far more important than cards.
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