Safeguards at shows

[Exhibitman]

This is all a really good argument for holding shows at casino conference centers. I cannot think of any other type of venue that offers state of the art surveillance of public spaces and hardcore private armed security as SOP. NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

Since I'm an hour by air or six hours in the car away from Las Vegas I'd love to see that happen.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

This is all a really good argument for holding shows at casino conference centers. I cannot think of any other type of venue that offers state of the art surveillance of public spaces and hardcore private armed security as SOP. NSCC Las Vegas, baby!

I miss when the Philly show was at Valley Forge....I think a lot of dealers prefer that locations over the Oaks Venue.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I miss when the Philly show was at Valley Forge....I think a lot of dealers prefer that locations over the Oaks Venue.

Most dealers I've talked to at the show prefer Oaks because it's a lot easier for them to unload and then load out. The Valley Forge show was downstairs and much harder to get stuff in and out of is what I've been told.

[ClementeFanOh]

Notfast-

It's weird that you can't type more than one brief sentence. Are you
on a net54 economy plan?

Also, your comment about "laziness" is, ironically enough, lazy in and of
itself. It's definitely the case that some folks who object to added security
ideas lack the energy to accomplish them, regardless of their role. It's
also true that some folks have convinced themselves these suggestions are
an intrusion somehow.

Crazy thought- how about suggesting your idea for a security benefit, rather
than merely tear down the ideas of others? Or is that asking too much? I'm
sure your reply will be Pulitzer worthy. Maybe try to reply with substance?

Trent King

[notfast]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Notfast-

It's weird that you can't type more than one brief sentence. Are you
on a net54 economy plan?

Also, your comment about "laziness" is, ironically enough, lazy in and of
itself. It's definitely the case that some folks who object to added security
ideas lack the energy to accomplish them, regardless of their role. It's
also true that some folks have convinced themselves these suggestions are
an intrusion somehow.

Crazy thought- how about suggesting your idea for a security benefit, rather
than merely tear down the ideas of others? Or is that asking too much? I'm
sure your reply will be Pulitzer worthy. Maybe try to reply with substance?

Trent King

Not reading prior posts in the thread with other suggestions seems like something a lazy and disinterested person would do.

Originally Posted by notfast

Producing and showing ID is pointless unless the information is being stored. That’s where the liability would come in to play. Who’s is keeping this info? What are they doing with it? What happens if there is a breach?

The solution that is most reasonable is more visible cameras and more visible security. These deter the majority of criminals.

Then everyone needs to be responsible for security of their own space.

One guy working the booth should never happen unless someone is going to the bathroom or grabbing food to bring back. Need multiple workers always.

Never hand cards to more than one person at a time. Make sure showcases are locked and back stock is secure. This could be as simple as having a case with a handle bike locked to a table leg or a standalone safe. Even simple deterrents such as moving cash box/envelope location often are usually not considered. I could go on and on. Nothing is incredibly difficult its just that most people don’t have the experience of dealing with people essentially trying to shoplift.

The majority of people (including cops and paid security officers) do not have the experience needed to prevent retail theft except by their existing and showing presence…which it’s important so this should always be the top priority of all shows.

Originally Posted by notfast

Tickets could be forced to be paid for via electronic payment which would give some sort of tracking. Combine that with entry cameras and a scanner scanning a unique ticket # and maybe you’d have something that could be traceable to a card payment that wouldn’t involve another entity needing personal information.

Edit - but then you run in to situations (like sporting events now a days) where people don’t use cards or are too young for them.

[ClementeFanOh]

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

Trent King

PS- Your remarked several posts ago that it would be your last on the
subject. How's that comment holding up?

[notfast]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

Trent King

I don’t even know how to respond to this but I guess I’ll try. I literally copy/pasted what I thought should be done and you either mixed my comments up with someone else’s or are just glossing over them because you don’t agree.


-Increased visible security (said this twice in one post and that it should be the top priority)
-Increased cameras that are visible (think TV monitor showing your face when you walk in like retailers do)

And then the kicker…INCREASED personal responsibility for those set up..but then again, it really shouldn’t be an increase because it should be a top priority already.

In regards to it being not labor intensive…maybe. If you’re legitimately just looking at ID’s then you are right. But that would really serve little to no purpose in deterring theft, as I stated earlier in this thread. If you’re collecting, verifying, maintaining & storing ID information, that would be VERY labor intensive and likely cost prohibitive…especially at a larger venue.

Also, pretty weird you’re talking about “safe spaces” and “delicate sensibilities” when you’re the one who is obviously getting hot and bothered that others don’t agree fully support your single idea.

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

PS- Your remarked several posts ago that it would be your last on the
subject. How's that comment holding up?

Yeah…you’re mixing up comments.

[notfast]

Double post. Whoops.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

[ALBB]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Notfast- you do go on when putting the onus on everyone but yourself, I'll
give you that. The problem is that your cited input is essentially a deflection
of any sort of personal responsibility at shows. According to you, everyone
else involved- show promoters, sellers and assistants, any sort of hired
security- must exert themselves without fail, so that YOU don't have to show
legitimate identification. The key to limiting access to unknown bad guys is
to make those who wish enter, account for who they are. Capisce? It's also
the least labor intensive of any step you mentioned- yet it's a no-no because
your sense of liberty is somehow bruised. The goal here is to come up with a
plan to best confound thieves, not how to best placate extremely sensitive
adults at shows. Would a designated "safe space" at a show, help to calm
your delicate sensibilities? Good lord.

Trent King

PS- Your remarked several posts ago that it would be your last on the
subject. How's that comment holding up?

Oh, is that how you spell Capisce ?

I thought it was - GaBeesh