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Old 07-18-2024, 11:20 AM
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Wow - it seems to always be something. How do you think they would rank my 49 Campanella rookie?
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The presence of the "sticker" just increases the odds that the card is altered. Bad idea.

TPG grading should be going the exact opposite direction. Would love to see the emergence of a grading company that simply determines whether the card is authentic and unaltered. Forget the arbitrary contrived number... the card's owner can determine that for himself.
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The presence of the "sticker" just increases the odds that the card is altered. Bad idea.

TPG grading should be going the exact opposite direction. Would love to see the emergence of a grading company that simply determines whether the card is authentic and unaltered. Forget the arbitrary contrived number... the card's owner can determine that for himself.
+1000! I wish this was a choice offered by the current TPGs.
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+1000! I wish this was a choice offered by the current TPGs.
Pretty sure you can tell them to just authenticate the piece, and not give it a grade. Of course, while it’s an option, it’s not a particularly attractive option for most pieces that you expect to garner a grade above 1.
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Pretty sure you can tell them to just authenticate the piece, and not give it a grade. Of course, while it’s an option, it’s not a particularly attractive option for most pieces that you expect to garner a grade above 1.
Yeah, here is an article about how MBA (Mike Baker Authenticated) will just authenticate if you want them too:
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I wonder how many of these "best in class" cards are altered?
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I wonder how many of these "best in class" cards are altered?
How do they get to be best in class without a little assistance??!!
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Wow - it seems to always be something. How do you think they would rank my 49 Campanella rookie?
Easily “best-in-class” for the part of the card that is intact!

I find the PWCC auction listing descriptions laughable, every card “looks nicer” than its grade. So EVERYTHING they auction is undergraded?!
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Wow - it seems to always be something. How do you think they would rank my 49 Campanella rookie?
That is best in class, where the class is comprised of Campanella rookies with masking tape on them.
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If you have eyes you don't need a sticker to tell you about something's eye appeal.

A grade for an autograph is similarly ridiculous. If you need someone to tell you if an autograph is mint, you shouldn't be collecting autographs.
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My first thought was that they hired one of the judges from the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show and needed a position that would utilize his talents.
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Am I to understand that these stickers are given by HA to consigned pieces that they deem to be “Best in Class”? If so, to maintain an even playing field does LOTG, REA, etc also need their own “Best in Class” award? If not, who is making this determination?
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Am I to understand that these stickers are given by HA to consigned pieces that they deem to be “Best in Class”? If so, to maintain an even playing field does LOTG, REA, etc also need their own “Best in Class” award? If not, who is making this determination?
Heritage has some experts on staff as well as a lot of other auction houses that will make determinations. It seems subjective but, if I see Best In Class, I am expecting great eye appeal for the item.

And an example of Best in Class (not in any auction)
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when SGC first started I had some N43's graded and I asked Brian D. the head grader (now running REA) if I could just get the cards entombed and given an authentic and unaltered notice. He actually laughed and told me no-one would want something like that. They probably didn't and don't - but I'm a sort of different person......

I'm always aware that the standards and practices of all the TPG's are subject to changes over time - the morphing of which must at some point alter the collectors perception of a grade.

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