Are graded cards the future of vintage?

raulus · #1 07-19-2024, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by homerunhitter

I just saw someone posted on Facebook that there are a Ton of fake graded cards circulating in the hobby. What are your thoughts on the number of fake graded cards circulating in the hobby?

Do they mean fake?

Or do they mean authentic but altered?

I suspect the number of outright fakes is low. Not that there aren't some, but certainly not a meaningful fraction.

But there are some around here who will tell you that there are a high number of altered cards running around in slabs , at least when it comes to high grade vintage.

Having said that, from time to time you do hear about some goons running around with their own slabbing machine and putting fake slabs together. Or a similar situation is goons who do a crack and replace with a reseal of the slab. Still a real card usually, but much lower grade after they replace the real card with a low grade version and reseal. Those situations have the potential to be a bigger deal, particularly for an unwary buyer who just assumes that if it’s in a slab, it must be good.

homerunhitter · #2 07-19-2024, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Do they mean fake?

Or do they mean authentic but altered?

I suspect the number of outright fakes is low. Not that there aren't some, but certainly not a meaningful fraction.

But there are some around here who will tell you that there are a high number of altered cards running around in slabs , at least when it comes to high grade vintage.

Having said that, from time to time you do hear about some goons running around with their own slabbing machine and putting fake slabs together. Or a similar situation is goons who do a crack and replace with a reseal of the slab. Still a real card usually, but much lower grade after they replace the real card with a low grade version and reseal. Those situations have the potential to be a bigger deal, particularly for an unwary buyer who just assumes that if it�s in a slab, it must be good.

The post I read was referring to actual fake slabs (not altered cards)

raulus · #3 07-19-2024, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by homerunhitter

The post I read was referring to actual fake slabs (not altered cards)

So fake slabs, not fake cards residing in real slabs.

Not sure how widespread that is. You hear about rings from time to time that are running slab counterfeiting operations. But it�s not clear to me how many get out into the wild, and how many include vintage cards rather than modern shiny stuff.

homerunhitter · #4 09-11-2024, 09:21 AM

Either way it looks like graded cards are here to stay.

jchcollins · #5 09-12-2024, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by homerunhitter

Either way it looks like graded cards are here to stay.

Of course. Graded cards have been around for more than 30 years now.

Joeybats · #6 09-12-2024, 11:03 AM

I have been finding it pretty easy to buy raw vintage at shows lately. I target two types of sellers, those with all the new shiny stuff graded with their vintage in a box that they have no interest in and those vintage sellers with high graded slabs that turn their noses up at their own ungraded (likely 1's to 4's) vintage that aren't going to make them a mint. Bundle and save!

homerunhitter · #7 09-14-2024, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

Of course. Graded cards have been around for more than 30 years now.

Oh wise guy eh!!

jchcollins · #8 09-14-2024, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by homerunhitter

Oh wise guy eh!!

No, really I was not trying to be.

What I said was obvious perhaps, but if I'm a wise guy, then you are a guy who keeps bumping a fairly dead thread on a subject where new situational news or additional context is probably going to be scant.

Yes, graded cards are here to stay. But there are plenty of people who collect raw vintage, as they have for years without really seeing the need for grading. I believe that both approaches are here to stay.

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